From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JxlOY-0001ck-Ej for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:05:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9944E055D; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CC1E055D for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z27so299444ugc.49 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=LLyx733kEDUq+xsSn5o2Z4aRVQTd10TitfbklN6X7n4=; b=T3dJt47IfIc81mFvtN+4UYPr8irBCHdceEv2NEynSdekfm9ZuvKzgvzRCB96nL6Bp4KVgaB6iVfqxVcS6fSpf2iGLGheyg345LQU5GrDZKGyUoYtYVg/4snnBTxnJYmqO62KBA8ZIYaW9YIEYGK0S1hDGbivrIZ6+H4l0c44Y4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; b=P4m+FlzsA6Wk5TXGpJIZobKF8MYRTruCyHPWFeykHwU/B/4sbAgslkO2xBTSFvdblH1m00KcZWIooPQwGHk1pzLJSsbnHeZvr6dfTnYgDVfRwkgxl68SRnvCUA9bkUn9tbyeXGTCq72VSEO5wYsU50LiGgmSkUPisf3XFGLTU9E= Received: by 10.67.87.18 with SMTP id p18mr2626517ugl.43.1211126752616; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone ( [213.121.151.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t35sm985758uge.46.2008.05.18.09.05.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 May 2008 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:05:45 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] Message-ID: <20080518170545.020f47a1@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <1211126146.5569.44.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> References: <20080508233328.GA8896@comet> <482CB0B2.6090702@gentoo.org> <20080516164612.GA14234@comet> <482DF281.6010208@gentoo.org> <20080516213454.538ce4e8@anaconda.krait.us> <7c612fc60805161611w48d9e134m7437c4a29f33d79a@mail.gmail.com> <20080517001849.4802ceec@googlemail.com> <20080518105649.GC17371@basestar> <20080518160110.60840c3e@snowcone> <7c612fc60805180829w6b36d17bla6d527f76017dbbd@mail.gmail.com> <7c612fc60805180830x339775d8jf64670bd91c1666d@mail.gmail.com> <20080518163424.0f6085d6@googlemail.com> <1211125328.5569.35.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <20080518164554.1d39e5ba@googlemail.com> <1211126146.5569.44.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.4.0 (GTK+ 2.12.9; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/nsTF/olWxS+7TddZT7ue4X_"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: e1b6d1fa-6faf-4b9f-bee5-9cfb1a55d757 X-Archives-Hash: 0dd8c6aa51c18f53ccd938ae374c4a7b --Sig_/nsTF/olWxS+7TddZT7ue4X_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 18 May 2008 11:55:46 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 16:45 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sun, 18 May 2008 11:42:08 -0400 > > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > > > > > If it's not a GLEP then what is it then? What are we following or > > > not? > >=20 > > That's already been answered in this thread far too many times. > > Please read before posting. >=20 > I have read and re-read. It's only until recent postings/comments are > we starting to say this is not a GLEP. It's not part of the Bylaws. > So what is it? How official is it? Who enforces it? It's effectively in a class of its own. So far as I know, it's the only policy document that's been accepted based upon a global vote. > Re-reading, just brings me across more reference to it being a GLEP. It's referred to as 'GLEP 39' because that's where you find it. This is unfortunate. > Also if it's a constitution, or such for the council. Why is like ~70% > of the document, talking about the past. Personal point of view from > those writing the document. Things other than what section B is, and > declares. What's now called 'GLEP 39' was originally an emailed proposal written by Grant as one of the things upon which developers could vote, with a second email from me proposing the slacker clauses merged in. The actual proposal voted in by developers was a text file in my ~ on dev.g.o, which was just Grant's email with my additions. > If more time was spent on clarifying section B, and less on talking > about the past, problems, personal input/opinion. Things that would > make this a much more official document, what ever it is. Then this > mess would not exist, and we would have set policies and procedures to > follow. But that wasn't what was voted in. > Instead we have a partial punishment, that doesn't mention at all > how to go about enforcing it. As in council is stripped of power. It says exactly how to go about enforcing it. An election has to be held within a month of the meeting, in the same way that otherwise the council has to hold an election once a year. > Does the current council, still hold/wield any power from now until > they are replaced? What is the extent/limitations of that power in the > intern? There's nothing about that in the accepted proposal. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/nsTF/olWxS+7TddZT7ue4X_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkgwU9sACgkQ96zL6DUtXhGK4QCg5UuI3Ab/WUqO9Pq2sn9OsRdQ TX8An0j8EBZn4pBjjgLxhOmCBfdBWpzm =yQZw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/nsTF/olWxS+7TddZT7ue4X_-- -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list