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To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, Ulrich Mueller References: <23310.46809.293787.611345@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <23317.12829.91552.529904@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625013334.GA28404@kroah.com> <23344.37042.753481.563752@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625070525.GA6151@kroah.com> <23344.40875.105369.227774@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625110540.GB3058@kroah.com> <23344.65054.620110.958503@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <0a9228f1-338e-06a3-f3f4-6b27eea71408@iee.org> <23345.7747.959827.646836@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> From: "M. J. 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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, Ulrich Mueller Message-ID: <1eaaf964-1483-40a6-3732-8a30b8e08943@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-core] Re: Poll: Would you sign a Contributer License Agreement? References: <23310.46809.293787.611345@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <23317.12829.91552.529904@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625013334.GA28404@kroah.com> <23344.37042.753481.563752@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625070525.GA6151@kroah.com> <23344.40875.105369.227774@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20180625110540.GB3058@kroah.com> <23344.65054.620110.958503@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <0a9228f1-338e-06a3-f3f4-6b27eea71408@iee.org> <23345.7747.959827.646836@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> In-Reply-To: <23345.7747.959827.646836@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> --5C2xutKs7yYNUoi0PrIswWFvA3QBfO29C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 25/06/18 17:54, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, M J Everitt wrote: >> By contrast, Gentoo is likely to have been cobbled together by a >> consensus of unqualified persons, > I would wish you would argue about the facts, instead of resorting to > an ad-hominem argument. Or, if you believe that you're not qualified > for the former, simply abstain from posting. > >> and is quite unlikely to be defended in court, -should- it come to >> that (see recent legal case of McHardy et al). > See? Apparently all these "large organisations" with their highly > qualified lawyers hadn't understood the consequences of the > termination clause in section 4 of GPL-2, which is there since 1985. > > (And yes, I am aware that they try to band-aid it by imposing > additional restrictions on top of the GPL.) > > Ulrich With a lack of mail signature with one's qualifications attached (very 90s I know..) it is hard to get an accurate grip on any individuals particular expertise. I see a hell of a lot of bike-shedding by people who definitely *think* they know about a subject, without a clear indication of where this comes from. I have no problem with people talking with authority (IANAL excepting), but if anyone is actively OR passively refusing to disclose their sources, is it really unreasonable to ask someone to justify their arguments? We're pretty good in doing this in code/GLEPs/etc .. why can't we do it in other just-as technical discussions? 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