From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FB9E139085 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 04:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD744E0EFD; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 04:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8D41E0EF6 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 04:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.0.17] (cpe-72-227-68-175.maine.res.rr.com [72.227.68.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: desultory) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DA83340C97 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 04:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> <5db6cef2-34b4-6355-0563-9c242b229e08@gentoo.org> <90538aac-9b25-6e0e-a59a-bb662f061ccc@gentoo.org> From: Dean Stephens Message-ID: <18821535-bac6-95bb-bfb9-0e461d554a6c@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:30:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <90538aac-9b25-6e0e-a59a-bb662f061ccc@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 5c4bd779-28d3-4f73-b834-f37deedfabc4 X-Archives-Hash: 187a73909086e037d1aec209b3b21c69 On 01/16/17 08:40, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 01/16/2017 02:22 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: >> Maybe routine things like spam could go through forums-specific channel. >> I don't see a reason to get a bug filed for each of these. > > There should be a general notice that resolution should be attempted at > the lowest possible level. E.g a developer dispute within a project > should be attempted to be resolved within the project by involving team > lead before it is escalated anywhere. This in particular goes for IRC > channels in project scope etc, removal of members from within a project > etc etc. > Do you mean something beyond what ComRel already has on their project page on the wiki[1]? Specifically: "Community Relations may also act after all other attempts to solve the issue have failed. Developers are encouraged to try to solve the issue among themselves in a civil manner before they reach out to Community Relations. Developers within a project engaged in a personal conflict may wish to consult with the project lead. Although leads are not necessarily qualified to resolve personal disputes, technical issues resulting in conflict can often be resolved within the project without Community Relations involvement." [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:ComRel