Am Montag, 8. Juli 2019, 07:36:03 CEST schrieb Michał Górny:
> On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 06:43 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 07 Jul 2019, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > My second agenda item is: removing posting restrictions from gentoo-dev
> > > mailing list.
> 
> As for the attacks, I believe having active Proctors team is
> the
> solution.  After all, they provide more proactive approach
> and better
> response times than ComRel used to.

^ This. (That was the precise intention behind re-forming proctors.)
So now that we have the proctors we can give things a try again.
Attacks and hostile environment were the most critical part.

> As for the off-topics, I don't think we really solved it.  After all:
> 
> a. some of the problematic traffic has shifted to -project or other
> mailing lists,
> b. frequently *developers* are the source of the problem.

Shrug. Off-topic is not so critical. ["Mark all read."] Also, if we manage to 
keep the -dev list at least "off-topic but technical", that's nearly "on-
topic" again.

> The third problem mentioned is a minor one and I think we can live with
> it.

If a "support request" is technically challenging and interesting, why not. 
After all, we might learn something from it and improve Gentoo as a result. 
Also, it *is* interesting to learn what people are using Gentoo for. So this 
is something I can live with too.

> I would also like to remind that the initial proposal made sense because
> it restricted both -dev and -project, so the split between mailing lists
> was preserved.  The decision to restrict one but not the other has
> resulted in switching the split to 'devs only' and 'everyone', without
> matching change of rules.

Yes, and that specific decision was rather idi^H^H^H... never mind.
It was a horrible meeting.

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Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer
(council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)