From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03291138334 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C89BE0955; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01558E094A for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 5e46-fe7f-49ff-6ef0-e280-83b6-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee (5e46-fe7f-49ff-6ef0-e280-83b6-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:83b6:e280:6ef0:49ff:fe7f:5e46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: leio) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C4FA335C36 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1539509090.11082.3.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-10-14 From: Mart Raudsepp To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 12:24:50 +0300 In-Reply-To: References: <20180930140524.015249f0@sf> <20181011153139.7700484dc6c452ed570df66a@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yR2rBR4+y37y0jMnViV2" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: a2c1e154-2410-4127-bab4-b42c911b78cb X-Archives-Hash: c80b3c4b5cd7d223f8329ceca1b3226d --=-yR2rBR4+y37y0jMnViV2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C3=9Chel kenal p=C3=A4eval, L, 13.10.2018 kell 11:15, kirjutas Ulrich Muel= ler: > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2018, desultory wrote: > >=20 > > On 10/11/18 13:35, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Oct 2018, Alec Warner wrote: > > > > My reading of ulm's proposal is that it is allowed. > > > > Ebuilds "shall" use the simple attribution, not that they > > > > "must" use it. > > > > To me that implies the simple attribution should be the > > > > default, but the > > > > complex attribution is acceptable in the ::gentoo repo. > > > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding the proposal? > > > No, you've understood it exactly how it was meant. > > Especially given the audience, "should" would convey that intent > > more > > clearly than "shall". [1] > > [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt > > 3. SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that > > there > > may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a > > particular item, but the full implications must be understood > > and > > carefully weighed before choosing a different course. >=20 > LGTM, especially the part that the implications must be carefully > weighed before ignoring the policy. If this is something to vote on in the meeting, lets have something we can actually vote on before the meeting, please. Can you come up with a wording of all this then that we can confidently vote on, worded suitable for such, with the intentions clear in regards to MUST/SHALL/SHOULD/MAY and whatnot? Maybe without referencing an outside RFC to define what English words mean (or worse - using its definitions without referencing it). Mart --=-yR2rBR4+y37y0jMnViV2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEUdZn9pOq0mlNjRvdEKbJ+k9JlgYFAlvDC2JfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDUx RDY2N0Y2OTNBQUQyNjk0RDhEMUJERDEwQTZDOUZBNEY0OTk2MDYACgkQEKbJ+k9J lga+zQ//c5tqXc10/Pw3fBDIrAUOjijXFhMRGZ57+ogubwfTjKPnXdZFdxUWXpJx uzEFOdZVt0GYyPPZHxvqI4yKAKLmMDldEYJm/gcEi9jxbbkg4xSEzjPQ2xTtqTQR ZjOOkAV7SQ21iZsLpX3WQzkd6T7w8JKIgnBJzi5MEaF42XozCY3h2Ea+MOnHZFuU rLYnFg1eoQdyrXhhDQxRopcfxpWMQsxfFc6VecZya6RCyPnKWb/4gQ7l3MMoFA7+ VlpuXLCOA/Afy5czKnxPMpix5ZseOJISqi5Lo4snlg9dmebhcGCUbTz0ddF3/5hz 86kgGdiWusZXIDhh0VyFN0i6Gg2qfTE6CXhshnurrrpLsGRIoV8fgixKnSNMWszK N3pjfkRYloC5GMt4XX6zutr6347SQRbdwC9BqLc950lQ0SU2b3Mc9n9OWULu8Xto 4AxP3d6BIfdoLsQ5wsfn8T5Ibyr0nPjDg/GgvK1uhP9bkXD4iMCEJYu2I1nqGL3g gsemjghj2geaPSeeNEwDSKTK6LDAUfsCrBsiRzFQLbcrcCY68wp65cTLye7nKckO rtwugi09xag0XX3pu0oAyHwknWUayjtGK6sU/GCALjiseFcm6xIKhRcS/1SkPhx0 FIvd8uefteMbZ2uH0+cYiw0NDXDRQ3J+4bbN25Ygw1FBhkstOoA= =uo6b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yR2rBR4+y37y0jMnViV2--