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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:19:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1522138764.2317.11.camel@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDOV48dYz32-4WoAHWrn=YDX0qg=oOhgQbOnDtEnZSFNbvKZA@mail.gmail.com>

W dniu pon, 26.03.2018 o godzinie 19∶54 -0600, użytkownik Daniel Robbins
napisał:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
> > (klondike) <klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > If you cvs annotate the index.xml file for the Gentoo Foundation on the
> > > old documentation CVS you'll find that such line was added by Corey
> > > Shields (cshields) on the first edition of the project page itself,
> > > revision 1.1 made on 26-March-2005 before GLEP-39 existed. According to
> > > that same page Corey was one of the members of the Board of the
> > 
> > Foundation.
> > > 
> > 
> > Well, that answers the first half of the question then.
> > 
> 
> Council is related to technical leadership, inter-project technical issues
> and issues impacting development, which can include disciplinary issues.
> 
> Trustees look out for the long-term health of the project. This includes
> legal matters, social contract, and quite a few other things.
> 
> I resigned after the initial trustees were appointed. It appears that the
> initial trustees had challenges making decisions and leading the project.
> However, while they might have been relatively "weak" and had very limited
> scope in practice (most likely due to being overwhelmed with their new
> responsibilities, learning to run a NFP, etc.which has a very high learning
> curve,) that does not mean that the trustees were intended to be passive in
> regards to the direction of the project. Non-technical issues that are
> large in scope should by default go to the trustees for direction.
> 

And this sentence pretty much explains a common problem around Council-
Trustee split. There's a number of people who predate it, and make
assumptions based on the past.

Building on such assumptions, you can pretty much reach the point that
Trustees do everything and Council doesn't even exist. But by omitting
later events, you're creating a false vision of the present.

What really matters is what Council and Trustees do today. And that is
a result of a number of past transformations that go beyond the initial
formation of the Council.

Back when I was recruited, this was the role of the Council I was
taught. If you don't believe it, you are free to research the past to
either prove or disprove it. But in order to do that, you need to
account fo all past events, not only some of them.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-27  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-27  0:09 [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27  0:15 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27  0:39   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27  0:47     ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27  1:14       ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2018-03-27  1:30         ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27  1:54           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27  2:09             ` Matthew Thode
2018-03-27  6:56             ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27  8:07             ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-03-27 22:32               ` Sam Jorna (wraeth)
2018-03-28  9:26                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-03-27  8:19             ` Michał Górny [this message]
2018-03-27 15:47               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 16:28                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27 16:31                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 16:49                     ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27 17:18                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 17:43                         ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27 18:38                           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 19:40                             ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27 20:26                               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 20:39                                 ` Alec Warner
2018-03-27 20:53                                   ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-29 22:20                                   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-03-27 20:44                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-27 22:52                                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 23:01                                     ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2018-03-27 23:42                                   ` Robin H. Johnson
2018-03-28  9:12                             ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-03-28 15:38                               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-28 16:23                                 ` Alec Warner
2018-03-28 16:38                                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-28 17:09                                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-03-28 17:21                                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-28 17:39                                         ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-28 19:25                                           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-28 16:41                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-28 16:44                                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-28 16:52                                     ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-28 16:47                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-03-28 17:06                                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-30 15:03                                     ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-03-30 17:35                                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-30 18:14                                         ` Seemant Kulleen
2018-03-30 23:49                                           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31  0:24                                             ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31  4:13                                               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 10:39                                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31 19:06                                                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 20:30                                                     ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31 21:48                                                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 22:01                                                         ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 22:09                                                           ` Michał Górny
2018-03-31 22:13                                                             ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 23:52                                                             ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 22:13                                                           ` Chris Reffett
2018-03-31 22:14                                                             ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 22:22                                                         ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31 22:24                                                           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 22:42                                                             ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31 22:53                                                               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 23:17                                                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31 23:35                                                                   ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31 23:58                                                                     ` Rich Freeman
2018-04-01  0:16                                                                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-01  3:33                                                                         ` R0b0t1
2018-04-02  3:59                                                                     ` Dean Stephens
2018-04-02  4:56                                                                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02  5:05                                                                         ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-03  3:57                                                                           ` Dean Stephens
2018-03-31 22:59                                                               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02  3:59                                                         ` Dean Stephens
2018-04-02  5:41                                                           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02  5:45                                                             ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02  9:47                                                             ` Michał Górny
2018-04-02 14:56                                                               ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02 19:42                                                       ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2018-04-02 19:52                                                         ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02 19:59                                                           ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2018-04-02 20:06                                                             ` Daniel Robbins
2018-04-02 19:55                                                     ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2018-04-02 19:57                                                       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-31  6:48                                               ` Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
2018-03-31 10:59                                                 ` Rich Freeman
2018-03-31 13:03                                                   ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2018-04-02  3:59                                                   ` Dean Stephens
2018-03-30 19:38                                   ` Ulrich Mueller
2018-03-30 23:51                                     ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-29 22:18                       ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-03-29 22:17                 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-03-29 22:15             ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-03-29 22:05           ` Andreas K. Huettel
2018-03-27 16:49     ` Alec Warner
2018-03-27 17:38       ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 19:12         ` Matthew Thode
2018-03-27 19:37         ` Michał Górny
2018-03-27 20:12           ` Daniel Robbins
2018-03-27 20:25             ` Michał Górny
2018-03-28 15:12   ` Matthias Maier
2018-03-29 22:04 ` Andreas K. Huettel

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