From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9E211382C5 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3A48E097E; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF94AE094F for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4607335C63; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1522136753.2317.1.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Social Contract, Council: please fix the mess you cause From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:45:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2d1f20e5-c953-2573-a729-5c3cf687861d@gentoo.org> References: <788ee187-02c9-d52e-8716-a2b7746faeee@gentoo.org> <1522101103.23621.6.camel@gentoo.org> <2d1f20e5-c953-2573-a729-5c3cf687861d@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1aa654bb-61ec-4462-ad83-9771670eb7fa X-Archives-Hash: c0fb0a6dfd49c1d2f7b0cb9246826e94 W dniu wto, 27.03.2018 o godzinie 01∶54 +0200, użytkownik Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) napisał: > Hi Rich! > El 27/03/18 a las 01:01, Rich Freeman escribió: > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera > > (klondike) wrote: > > > the majority of the stakeholders of the Gentoo Social Contract (anybody > > > other than Gentoo developers and those vouched by them) > > > > I just did some asking around and those non-developer stakeholders > > (who are apparently a majority of our total set of stakeholders) say > > that they disagree with your proposed changes. Are you sure you > > actually talked to all of them? > > > > It is possible that there is some confusion - could you provide a list > > of the names of these stakeholders who apparently constitute a > > majority? Gentoo devs apparently don't count for much (other than > > doing all the work I suppose), but we can at least generate a list of > > who they are... > > Please don't derail the topic. If you want to discuss who are the > specific stakeholders affected by the Gentoo Social Contract you are > more than welcome to open a different thread, on gentoo-project. > > I opened this thread to discuss proposals to fix the fact that with the > permission change of the gentoo-dev mailing list ordered by the council, > the majority of the stakeholders of the Gentoo Social Contract (anybody > other than Gentoo developers and those vouched by them) can't neither > propose nor discuss changes to said contract through the official > channels. If you have any input in that regard, I'll be more than happy > to read it. > Sounds to me that you've created an artificial problem to create hostility within the community, and when somebody asks you to define the problem more specifically, you refuse to answer. -- Best regards, Michał Górny