From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECDE2139083 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 21:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3DB8E0F70; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 21:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8437FE0F68; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 21:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E38F33BF24; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 21:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1512337399.22374.30.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting developer-oriented and expert user mailing lists From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, Gentoo Development Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 22:43:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1512256684.30000.48.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 241c1da0-f5de-447e-b3df-04da43c91e40 X-Archives-Hash: 73d71430f00367acf6d7619aad5f7661 W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 21∶30 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan Ochtman napisał: > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be > > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers. > > > > 1a. Subscription (reading) and archives will still be open. > > > > 1b. Active Gentoo contributors will be able to obtain posting access > > upon being vouched for by an active Gentoo developer. > > > > On the face of it, I like this proposal. On the other hand, wouldn't it be > better if we just had more active list moderators? That is, moderators who > move problematic user's posts to moderated by default, and then withhold > the specific posts if necessary? I don't think this is really technically feasible. I don't know if mlmmj has the specific feature you're asking for, and even if it did, moderation with mlmmj is practically impossible to use. Even for low- traffic channel like gentoo-dev-announce@ it's not working well. > > 2. A new mailing list 'gentoo-expert' will be formed to provide > > a discussion medium for expert Gentoo users and developers. > > > > 2a. gentoo-expert will have open posting access like gentoo-dev has now. > > > > I'm not sure this will be worth it. Who exactly do you think is the > audience for this mailing list? What is the goal? How is it different from > existing mailing lists? The audience is expect users who usually don't need basic support but instead want to discuss the development of Gentoo and want to have some impact on where it goes. The main goal is to be able to restore more developers to gentoo-dev@, and be able to focus it on feedback and reviews. In other words, the goal is that if the attitude on gentoo-expert becomes impossible to bear, the developers can unsubscribe from that list without actually losing the ability to give feedback on important Gentoo issues. > > Cheers, > > Dirkjan -- Best regards, Michał Górny