From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59EA8139694 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A495D1FC00B; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69FCB1FC002 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C237341866; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1500414026.1530.2.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] The problem of defunct and undermanned projects in Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:40:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6b7c14b1-1af6-4f10-a88b-4a02bd90705b@iee.org> References: <1500239562.11529.1.camel@gentoo.org> <20170719075622.293bff90@katipo2.lan> <20170719092317.7ba9beee@katipo2.lan> <6b7c14b1-1af6-4f10-a88b-4a02bd90705b@iee.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-n5EGfbefuOhx3bb7PvX/" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 63047a7f-a675-4868-a755-04c635186e4e X-Archives-Hash: 2d13d3f6b3f8a69b351d974ef7973424 --=-n5EGfbefuOhx3bb7PvX/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On wto, 2017-07-18 at 22:35 +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 18/07/17 22:23, Kent Fredric wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:12:45 +0100 > > "M. J. Everitt" wrote: > >=20 > > > I think mgorny was doing some general commit stats, and I have yet to > > > compile my own, but it would be very interesting to see how many > > > 'active' team members there were in any given project. I suspect the > > > results could be very telling ... > >=20 > > Its not even like they're "inactive", they're just not active *in the t= eam*. > >=20 > > For some, there's no reason for them to devaway:=20 > >=20 > > - They're on IRC > > - They commit daily > >=20 > > But they're on teams they seldom do things in. > >=20 > > This is probably more true the more teams you're on. >=20 > Then why are you 'in' the team.. I mean, there's one thing to idle on an > IRC channel, but membership does normally imply some form of > contribution, no? Or is it just to make you 'look' > interested/popular/part-of-the-furniture .... Well, that *is* a problem. However, we are supposed to be friendly and nice, and not tell other developers that they have done literally nothing during the 2 years they're part of some project. That could discourage them from contributing. You are also not supposed to try to offload yourself and distribute the work to them. That's bossing around, and it discourages others from actually doing anything. So, well, you're just supposed to smile and thank them for doing nothing for the project because otherwise they could feel offended and discouraged from doing anything, --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-n5EGfbefuOhx3bb7PvX/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKmBAABCgCQFiEEbbsHzE8NrQbqCv5BsHoa6u+0Rk4FAllugEtfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDZE QkIwN0NDNEYwREFEMDZFQTBBRkU0MUIwN0ExQUVBRUZCNDQ2NEUSHG1nb3JueUBn ZW50b28ub3JnAAoJELB6GurvtEZOIwEQALuUUmCJDqRKXe0c+lrfL8LSYFmIfjQb 8SAKUjRvnUG9MJgaf5YJhuQcJ/kf6WyKId9WHUoJq2tUblLVYa+c9rkOK+BIribj 1uMSfkxQ+RZ3f4kk0EXFqYl0KgbGRwDos5ON6bmkysrF3RURFkz872g4oWa2hfQl uh0Gqji7LKNziPss3LaAQzo0pALWp6DkeCgbLFZjT17K8fD37yMcYj24pSwfGFVL nQIOZFiUVcu/a4/JUfhIVdZIkcEeIRnA9WQ2req9paUG/Tn0G0nOIwZh9Upr5gii n2xcyMAxBNsWCpYjCfLhbjIxvdn6e2VpM6YkqUk+rzWCnAZ0h4LZDizEcR3JJMWn JLw0V3iGvLk7iQQynqZ+85qg5rmJHKJKn2HqZ2aA3WzFCMbrA/mUocr30/zJMOYV CS9NaPaa6k9CxNvXxOWl2GVEgyv2pN63DMSLObPh/CnuC4INcM58NkLmjwvxdXng dseUT2TcUMrnam4hrYLtFDZP1paRnXq/VG6rcXZ1cuEHa6habIhHrxn5GuYTp2JP 8zqx6jq+AIxDDGM3R2B073u8scDvz9tkk0NtjjdQj43ReY0jVLYjIsnIYmDqkrfQ WYGG3v8nx0gi7OkFr1JTvNRBYl8mqREOpTu1JiaGx8WbJd+t7rARB5JKJMJR/kjF KXoBJO/hMFV0 =/SUr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-n5EGfbefuOhx3bb7PvX/--