From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F3CD139694 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 08:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B22DE0D04; Thu, 11 May 2017 08:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CA8FE0CED for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 08:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72323341659; Thu, 11 May 2017 08:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1494489749.1223.6.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: council@gentoo.org, Matthias Maier Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 10:02:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <0ac908a7-9875-f629-fa0c-0c85945e1185@gentoo.org> <871srvx3o8.fsf@kestrel.kyomu.43-1.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wgpzb1ZJgvO8rTcpM0Xj" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 977d62a2-b06d-45d5-8e4c-7504cf678ae9 X-Archives-Hash: 4c0238f26071ad32f6cca9b304219fa1 --=-wgpzb1ZJgvO8rTcpM0Xj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On czw, 2017-05-11 at 03:52 -0400, NP-Hardass wrote: > On 05/11/2017 03:17 AM, Matthias Maier wrote: > > Hello all, > >=20 > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, at 12:00 CDT, "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi everyone, > > >=20 > > > The Gentoo Council will be meeting in two weeks. If anyone has any > > > issues we need to discuss, please let me know and I'll put it on the > > > agenda. Thanks. > >=20 > > I would like to make a last minute proposal. > >=20 > > Proposal: > >=20 > > I ask the council to establish a procedure / team to moderate the > > gentoo-project@ and gentoo-dev@ mailing lists: > >=20 > > - In general the amount of moderation shall as minimal as possible > > (in particular developers and long-time contributors > > unconditionally green-lighted),=20 > > - but for non-developers abusing the mailing lists for their own > > agenda their contributions shall be moderated. > > - Similar to irc operators there shall be a decicated moderator team > > to ensure a quick and timely response. > > - The moderator team shall be different from council members, and > > ideally also comrel, such that these groups can act as a check and > > balance. > >=20 > > Rationale: > >=20 > > The gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists nowadays serve > > an important role for Gentoo development (e.g. mandatory announcement= , > > RFCs, PATCH reviews). This function is currently severly impeded due > > to the high level of noise and unrelated personal agenda [1]. > >=20 > > Best, > > Matthias > >=20 > > [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/ > >=20 >=20 > I'm going to second the proposal. >=20 > As an aside, in considering this, I'd like a priori moderation > (whitelist+manual passthrough) to be weighed against a posteriori > moderation (automatic passthrough+reactionary blacklisting), assuming > that both are feasible with our ML system. >=20 The difference between the two is that the former causes 'every non-dev is moderated, I guess that's fair' and the latter causes 'how dare you restrict my freedom of speech, you bastards, I'm the most important Gentoo developer since Daniel Robbins, you silly lives mean nothing compared to me, you wouldn't have been born if it was not for me...!' --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-wgpzb1ZJgvO8rTcpM0Xj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEXr8g+Zb7PCLMb8pAur8dX/jIEQoFAlkUGpVfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDVF QkYyMEY5OTZGQjNDMjJDQzZGQ0E0MEJBQkYxRDVGRjhDODExMEEACgkQur8dX/jI EQoy9hAA33uDq/ISDn4irJo8nfCOC+W9hGNXYcmdL7MFbYP6zlCeWdy6vVHlFJe3 7VSG9Vom3V1rY+bUVtbJ1kH8aLKjInFn/axdZucxl9TUZFQOcn3aMNZU3bdz3UK6 aZaAdXAfPDTKtvdiowvYpo+xOJDAdEsWMuLhB4ZcC+KQRaMODxVmOMtqXpiXNYQR Lx1D/y1yq2Tuh/mIwWlLuv0A9DNHJOVvd6+aQ2Rb5sO9Crv4JBkvIY0NnWtPh5GF 33zmpvCEO18waiYgmT6ibvbh54JXegB+HgOlrcCyQE7x2vyCYZj0iJAlYxuDdPt0 zKVK5U9N/du2mymznyuI7bVK1660KzmX2Sw5gqa0Vbp4Cekbb/S1YS5YMqpdTk3k mv7LC7sOhzqh/fxwbEZQebaO/ILWNMMTcQwIHMnHdEh0insvpEXEOQBUYMvkgxti O7NcaYr6GnRUYa38KFCvyIAtJn8PM2cBUYO6o6MFKl7vPiRl6I4qJ7qOB/7jd+p+ 44tPny/wUFW7nDVNQtD0jDFf4AtTCphmVwI7EMkSSyi48yZKRE+XqrdiDHfy6C1/ JK0dPVxsyO+5ezwi031T+pvMBfMd6pGBYP6c/9OKHINah7goWmLeRdUzSJRErrDB jVI+yG4CIH5YSfxHjNqTNmq7RgyO5UwFqhAAsO8O8cPk54B+qio= =1CJx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wgpzb1ZJgvO8rTcpM0Xj--