From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 191F01382C5 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52F82E09D6; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F16FE09D5 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:15:53 +0000 (UTC) To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <46VMOZ54.H6K3WDDW.GVJ4SDQI@X7ZUXRCI.AYMFVOXG.BF2VNFXM> <191f08bb-2f08-a413-876b-ba01957142df@gentoo.org> <0477131b-bc57-da97-dc51-9adbc47049a6@gentoo.org> From: Thomas Deutschmann Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Message-ID: <1464751b-0e12-c878-47c0-98d027af1045@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:15:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0477131b-bc57-da97-dc51-9adbc47049a6@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="O81JSl9XKgMWWWTWAMNUqJ66rBp3DXmhN" X-Archives-Salt: 28515c91-1c39-4ed3-9d07-793528e7d44d X-Archives-Hash: da8cbbf84af26a5f3a48d79499aca341 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --O81JSl9XKgMWWWTWAMNUqJ66rBp3DXmhN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bcYDgjQvI0RSHXw4XLvoyyagqJonlFL83"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <1464751b-0e12-c878-47c0-98d027af1045@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) References: <46VMOZ54.H6K3WDDW.GVJ4SDQI@X7ZUXRCI.AYMFVOXG.BF2VNFXM> <191f08bb-2f08-a413-876b-ba01957142df@gentoo.org> <0477131b-bc57-da97-dc51-9adbc47049a6@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <0477131b-bc57-da97-dc51-9adbc47049a6@gentoo.org> --bcYDgjQvI0RSHXw4XLvoyyagqJonlFL83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 2020-12-12 08:34, desultory wrote: > Asking for the council to actually state the problem at hand as it sees= > it seems to be an entirely reasonable thing to do, especially given how= > long it has gone without doing so. It is difficult for me to believe that those involved in this four-week=20 discussion did not understand what it was actually about and then did=20 not even ask specifically about it themselves. But anyway, like said in my initial email, let's forget about the past=20 and let's focus on a solution. Nobody says that forum staff is doing a bad job in general but OTW=20 section was often handled like an autonomous zone which we are going to=20 end. Hopefully together. But let me be clear on this: The Gentoo=20 community will definitely find a solution for this problem. Maybe we=20 will grant you time until end of January in case you will tell us that=20 forums software will finally get upgraded in January and that the new=20 software will play an important role (i.e. warning system, new/easier=20 moderation tools, better reporting system...). For such a concession,=20 however, it would be important to get clear signals from the forum team=20 that they understand what needs to be changed and are willing to solve=20 the problem together. I am sure you can. Please join the process! Again some guidelines which should be addressed in the proposal/concept: 1) Clear statement/commitment that forums staff intends to enforce=20 Gentoo's code of conduct in forum like any other project. This shouldn't = be a big deal for you but it will help us to understand that we are all=20 on the same page. 2) We don't expect that forum staff will read every posting but if=20 forums staff will even quote insults and join 'the discussion', we would = consider this problematic because we expect that any community member=20 will step in if he/she will observe a code of conduct violation in=20 general and make everyone see reason (notice: this doesn't imply 'block=20 warden' mentality). 3) Implement a reporting system which will protect the reporter. 4) Tell us how you plan to address some inconsistency. For example, this = is not the first time that the user in question has posted such an=20 insult. The user was banned for similar postings back in 2016. We would=20 expect that such a misbehaving user who has shown in the past that they=20 disregard Gentoo values, would have been removed from the community long = time ago. 5) Remove bad content. If someone posted an insult and we took action,=20 don't forget to remove the offending content (soft delete entire posting = or remove offending paragraph). 6) Just a reminder: You are not alone at the front. If forum staff is=20 unsure about certain postings, please ask for help. We have projects to=20 deal with things like that and they are happy to assist you. --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --bcYDgjQvI0RSHXw4XLvoyyagqJonlFL83-- --O81JSl9XKgMWWWTWAMNUqJ66rBp3DXmhN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsB5BAABCAAjFiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAl/U3p4FAwAAAAAACgkQRObr3Jv2BVl0 mgf+NJZ8aUuOiCPqcezFxirB8ysZIndv7eILGZBLZ9LpR7k0lPCWuxsxDaOLzEI1gJrWPz86JIBt PkDSNRVU935rDzZqmZ1PFBM9Sh1uR/BIxMgQCuVUfoWH3G7tqM0f8GpzGHKDIZKPW8TZYhJfFBHF VBiKpTb77BAReYErqbrZ9mfMLghSu5FKNXdOHX1kPfePD8PLWQL5zpTj8Z9HOKVbEPA+4Ymoezbl x0H4thwmwP1fbKMItzGiNDjrqtTU4BXhgPHsoIWzF4SVp4jcDb7AzogkUfz5swYPIxwfod34jT0/ I8J8VTAN3Jl6bOMRW3A3vY+k0PdnRQ3aLIBqQcOQlQ== =T/Oc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O81JSl9XKgMWWWTWAMNUqJ66rBp3DXmhN--