From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB1D138A1A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01FCAE093A; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73455E0932 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from orion.koodur.com (40.13.168.213.sta.estpak.ee [213.168.13.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: leio) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2FAC340856 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1423967017.19532.4.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract From: Mart Raudsepp To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 04:23:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 073e6ee9-45f8-4afa-bafe-5ab6cea75d6d X-Archives-Hash: 5fbab719b6228858c9aa9167c3cdccd6 On L, 2015-02-14 at 16:37 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Andreas K. Huettel > wrote: > > > > We need to resolve this discussion somehow, by formulating a clear policy. > > Which is why I'm putting it up here for discussion and will ask to add it to > > the next council meeting agenda. > > I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment. As long > as we still accept patches via bugzilla/etc, then we aren't > "depending" on github. > > FOSS alternatives are to be preferred, but since we don't have those > set up, I don't see why we have to live without anything in the > meantime. If somebody wants to host such a thing, I'd encourage them > to do so, and work with infra if they'll accept help. That is a good question. I'm sorry if I am the only one to point this out, but: We do NOT have even a WEB VIEW of our OFFICIAL overlays to see what is going on there without BLINDLY cloning git URIs randomly! Why should contributors care ONE BIT about things outside their comfort zone of contributions, which is github in many cases these days? After 6 months of complete blindness on official overlays, I was eventually pointed at an outside cgit which shows what's going on there. After 2 years of talking, we are still using CVS. It is not surprising one bit that GitHub is the last hope to people hoping to help out, with some folks willing to get their contributions to actually MATTER. We have failed the community to provide any reasonable free software ways to contribute. So semi-open source ways it is. With all the respect to the infra team they have done with their existing capabilities, but we need to do better and find better ways to achieve what we can with existing resources and fix this completely sad state. Mart