From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C5B61382C5 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 22:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53812E09F1; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 22:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2C3E09C6 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 22:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <134682b4303fd9d0ed28c767decab89a2498e591.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:23:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2LFZC3RZ.WVSUWEDL.VQXYWEFC@CMM6QA7H.D55IMDXP.EKCHVXDO> References: <2LFZC3RZ.WVSUWEDL.VQXYWEFC@CMM6QA7H.D55IMDXP.EKCHVXDO> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1160a8b5-967f-47c7-957b-3d8c57b83532 X-Archives-Hash: 30ab860f0f9421a53635ebed58669b2e On Sat, 2020-12-12 at 14:42 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote: > Now we have a council member appealing directly to council again ... > that sends the message to the community, yet again, that the > processes that council are supposed to enforce don't apply to > council > members. > Will the damage from that message ever be undone? Is this really a message sent 'by the event', or a deliberate FUD spread by people who don't like the message? Because when people start disputing the process and not the actual arguments, the message I get is 'they are right and we can't argue with that, so let's try to sweep it under the rug'. Then we get walls of meaningless text, arguments about the process, conflicts of interest, etc. -- Best regards, Michał Górny