From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RKnGg-0006ee-3k for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:30:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9719821C037; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FA021C023 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (ap.ran.gpi.ru [195.209.218.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pva) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A31161B4023 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2011-11-08 From: Peter Volkov To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20111031091445.5b5697a7@pomiocik.lan> References: <20111026163025.GA843@gentoo.org> <20111026183551.32cfffe8@pomiocik.lan> <1320043429.13577.5.camel@tablet> <20111031091445.5b5697a7@pomiocik.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:27:47 +0400 Message-ID: <1320049667.17148.37.camel@tablet> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 12eb7b4f-f27f-4cca-bb01-96ef6bca8921 X-Archives-Hash: ac80e0661c95bce80a9aa53ab8360e1a =D0=92 =D0=9F=D0=BD=D0=B4, 31/10/2011 =D0=B2 09:14 +0100, Micha=C5=82 G=C3= =B3rny =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:43:49 +0400 > Peter Volkov wrote: >=20 > > =D0=92 =D0=A1=D1=80=D0=B4, 26/10/2011 =D0=B2 18:35 +0200, Micha=C5=82= G=C3=B3rny =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:30:25 +0200 > > > Fabian Groffen wrote: > >=20 > > > > In less than two weeks, the council will meet again. This is the > > > > time to raise and prepare items that the council should put on > > > > the agenda to vote on. > > >=20 > > > As an extension of ChangeLog topic, I'd like to suggest to require > > > developers to commit packages with matching (same) ChangeLog entrie= s > > > and commit messages. > >=20 > > I don't see how this logic may work in case you need to modify > > Changelog, so ... wontfix :) >=20 > 'Need' is a very bad word here. I'd rather use 'have a wannabe'. We have and use this feature now so... better word should be "must" until somebody provides very valid reasons to drop it. Speaking about your reasons: > 1) easier migration to autogenerated ChangeLogs if we want that at > some point, Still questionable need. > 2) better availability of the information (right now, looking up > changes sometimes involves checking both CVS log and ChangeLog message > to see what actually happened), Was discussed many times with the resolution: they should be different. > 3) one step towards preventing useless ChangeLog entries. In the spirit of Gentoo to fix this issue we just need to improve our tools and the first step, moving echangelog into repoman, is already done: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D337853 With best regards, -- Peter.