From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QsbY1-0008VH-Qw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:20:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEA3421C0F7; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost04.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost04.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.143]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F3021C0AC for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.141] (helo=NeddySeagoon) by smarthost04.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QsbXh-0006qW-M2 for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:19:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:19:33 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council appointed leaders for QA and DevRel To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <4E47AC51.3030201@gentoo.org> (from hwoarang@gentoo.org on Sun Aug 14 12:06:57 2011) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.8 Message-Id: <1313331597.2962.0@NeddySeagoon> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="=-/SRdbJvnlKv4Agc3Pe0W" X-Originating-Smarthost04-IP: [62.3.120.141] X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 9ed5423f6313442d14a9b0efbb5404fb --=-/SRdbJvnlKv4Agc3Pe0W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I'll stir the pot a little. No flames please, after all, we are just=20 brainstorming, or to be PC having an idea shower.=20 On 2011.08.14 12:06, Markos Chandras wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > This is the first of the items I would like to discuss for the next > Council agenda (or a later one). >=20 > Some time ago, few people proposed to have Council appointed leaders > for QA and DevRel. I like the idea because this way the Council can=20 > ensure that the team is active or either force some activity in case=20 > the current leader slacks big time.=20 The concepts of appointing leaders and monitoring activity are not=20 linked. In my view a council appointed team lead is unlikely to do a=20 better job than one elected by the team. Choice of leader is therefore=20 no different to any other project. Council may want to have some documented authority to take drastic=20 action in the case of slacking but that's separate again from=20 appointments and monitoring. Council would need to monitor to know=20 when drastic action was required. In short, --Routine_Appointments, ++Monitoring ++AuthortyToAct > Furthermore, right now there is the potential problem for the leader=20 > to only allow new members that he likes so they can vote for him on=20 > next elections.=20 We already have an appeal to council process that should be used. I've=20 formed the impression that these teams are as understaffed as any=20 other area of Gentoo, so no *competent* help should be refused. How competent is judged needs to be documented by the teams - e.g. a=20 quiz and a practical under supervision before volunteers are turned=20 away.=20 > Membership and voting actions should not be related in these teams.=20 > The leader will still have control over the new members but Council=20 > will do the voting (community will provide feedback ofc ) What do you mean by control ? >=20 > My proposal is: >=20 > Devrel: 1 year term. Developers are nominated by others or they can > self-nominated Why do devrel members need to be developers? Users with the correct skill set can do the job just as well, if they=20 are interested. >=20 > QA: 6-month term. Developers are nominated by others or they can > self-nominated Why do QA members need to be developers? Transparent competency is what counts in all areas of a volunteer=20 project.=20 With council monitoring, of the QA team there is no reason to have such=20 a short term. >=20 > This is just a brainstorming so please let me know what you think. >=20 > -- > Regards, > Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 >=20 Thats my three ha'porth. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees = --=-/SRdbJvnlKv4Agc3Pe0W Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk5H2YwACgkQTE4/y7nJvatBUwCcDlWo1P52V/yMkr2IE5eddHe3 HTwAnjJW7aBtBEz74OPJPW0+RiZHnch4 =jy2R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-/SRdbJvnlKv4Agc3Pe0W--