From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C670138350 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 07:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4CF4E08EF; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 07:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DBAFE08AE for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 07:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (c142-245.icpnet.pl [85.221.142.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E86AD34EEE5; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 07:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <126ac095ce1f3cd3fd75c4ad977d9ed1e08123df.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: comrel changes From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:47:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20200217161812.GA5969@linux1.home> <441737a3d1c0efdfc9f95b1cb1fde47b0f55d58f.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-507r4io4/d94OXAoOaMz" User-Agent: Evolution 3.32.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 27008951-6127-4182-ac72-f0cc2685afa5 X-Archives-Hash: 471b2ebb278dc3495f93654efde2f1c1 --=-507r4io4/d94OXAoOaMz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2020-02-22 at 22:35 -0800, Alec Warner wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:39 PM Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >=20 > > On Fri, 2020-02-21 at 22:11 +0000, Roy Bamford wrote: > > > This 'revision' group alread exists. Its called the Gentoo council. > > > Unless, that is, council have no oversight of comrel? > >=20 > > No, that's not how things work. You don't have an appeal body > > proactively look into what all projects are doing. > >=20 >=20 > I think by definition this is reactive. Comrel publishes a report[0], and > the Council[1] reviews it. I thought we've already established that the reports are meaningless. The way I see it, your system basically means that, repeatedly: 1. ComRel does their job. 2. ComRel wastes their time publishing a meaningless report. 3. Since the report is meaningless, Council has to audit ComRel's work. Since digging for past data is usually more effort than processing it as it flows, Council may as well start proactively auditing everything.=20 Except that's not its purpose, and I don't see why we should throw random extra tasks on their plate just because. In my opinion, if we are to go for auditing ComRel, we should select a separate group of people for that, people that choose to put their effort into auditing rather than incidentally get dragged into it. Furthermore, I believe this group should not have any direct deciding power. Instead, they should bring any issues their find to ComRel's attention and/or appeal them to the Council. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-507r4io4/d94OXAoOaMz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAABCgB9FiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAl5Tf6FfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM3 NkE4NDUwOTQwOThEMjhDQzhCMjZDNTYzOUFEQUUyMzI5RTI0MEUACgkQY5ra4jKe JA7mOwf9F6egzcaad1rlGOJR4jGYgjPdPjvNQ8hzgTx5UrEvOiEIvlgx8Ss30GI3 eUHN2K5soZIc6A+kXrT2KCP8grqBX3JKsrN0QBoLdEt5K4y43AHMGXCkSRrAVguM 5RpKE+scUWwREkch20zLhXru6AOIytEkR6vSAXuXn1vxzm6xlPd7nYkMsQEU78dY Jg6jXrMN3QDyA3uDVHNgqNnXmhIolnaRNTEdXv/riYCvdtzHHRDVlGArHuOVhabK iUqU1R9i+ryzQt4HTmF7DSm6yFNqjQUoFxFD5BXoFMtILFCiUyt/X+Tcgzt1b+8s hLmqIbAadb5jRC5DG1JHYvDfJkhq+Q== =xlGd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-507r4io4/d94OXAoOaMz--