From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JyB28-00084O-Dz for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:32 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A809E02DC; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C8BE02DC for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.211] (c-76-18-195-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.18.195.255]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7F066E7B for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] (fwd) From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project In-Reply-To: <20080519195024.3510ba2b@snowcone> References: <1211216933.5605.32.camel@liasis.inforead.com> <20080519195024.3510ba2b@snowcone> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OkvYo0o5MFGep1uQbvPn" Organization: Gentoo Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:27:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1211225243.8927.70.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 X-Archives-Salt: 9fb73aba-b21c-4011-b481-fd4f47d8f5c9 X-Archives-Hash: feb0211511ab002ef25b7452e2f574d2 --=-OkvYo0o5MFGep1uQbvPn Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 19:50 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:14 +0100 > Steve Long wrote: > > No one here is arguing that we have a slacking Council, similar to > > the "bad old days", are they? >=20 > A Council that conveniently fails to turn up when discussing things > that either don't interest them or that might make them look bad? A > Council holding secret meetings and conspiring with the devrel lead > behind the rest of devrel's backs? A Council that simultaneously says > "yes, we were behind musikc's actions" and "no, it was solely musikc's > decision"? That's a lot like the old days. Did the old days lack a foundation or other ruling body other than the council? If so then it's of no surprise why past problems resurface. IMHO seems since it's inception the Foundation has never stood on it's own two feet. Which I think allot of the other problems all indirectly stem from. Lack of organization, leads to problems and chaos. --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation --=-OkvYo0o5MFGep1uQbvPn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkgx1JsACgkQPrChP8zZLyYDqACgof79kJW1RTPUu18DamUxTPdY lFAAn3WHhnaovNbX/6On/OGLVt6GeMsS =NgS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OkvYo0o5MFGep1uQbvPn-- -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list