On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 19:50 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:14 +0100 > Steve Long wrote: > > No one here is arguing that we have a slacking Council, similar to > > the "bad old days", are they? > > A Council that conveniently fails to turn up when discussing things > that either don't interest them or that might make them look bad? A > Council holding secret meetings and conspiring with the devrel lead > behind the rest of devrel's backs? A Council that simultaneously says > "yes, we were behind musikc's actions" and "no, it was solely musikc's > decision"? That's a lot like the old days. Did the old days lack a foundation or other ruling body other than the council? If so then it's of no surprise why past problems resurface. IMHO seems since it's inception the Foundation has never stood on it's own two feet. Which I think allot of the other problems all indirectly stem from. Lack of organization, leads to problems and chaos. -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation