From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jxl07-0006lK-4R for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:40:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65BC3E0507; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423F6E0507 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.211] (c-76-18-195-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.18.195.255]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDDA66152 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project In-Reply-To: <20080518163144.312ed2d9@googlemail.com> References: <20080508233328.GA8896@comet> <20080515204913.GA22285@comet> <20080515220543.5c5a2c03@snowcone> <482CB0B2.6090702@gentoo.org> <20080516164612.GA14234@comet> <482DF281.6010208@gentoo.org> <20080516213454.538ce4e8@anaconda.krait.us> <7c612fc60805161611w48d9e134m7437c4a29f33d79a@mail.gmail.com> <20080517001849.4802ceec@googlemail.com> <20080518105649.GC17371@basestar> <20080518160110.60840c3e@snowcone> <1211124360.5569.17.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <20080518163144.312ed2d9@googlemail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ShHJ8WbvhZPvbDDII6o1" Organization: Gentoo Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:40:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1211125235.5569.33.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 X-Archives-Salt: a758ef40-e95d-4756-881f-1dfebfaaa013 X-Archives-Hash: 37967d74e4a5d0b763365e9758d5b215 --=-ShHJ8WbvhZPvbDDII6o1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 16:31 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Look back to when it was voted in. You'll probably need -core archives > for this. Ok, will take some time. > The problem is, none of this was written under the assumption that the > Council would try to misbehave and avoid following the rules... Isn't the entire harsh nature to address issues within the council? Meetings being held in private, those in power slacking, etc. Things you previously stated here. So if the document is written with punishments, that's almost expecting the council to misbehave. Or there would be no reason for such provisions. Then it also should have clarified in times when they council is to be replaced, or punished. That they are stripped of their power. That despite having ability to decide upon global matters. They can't decide their own fate. Which the document does not cover at all. Which is a bigger area to address, than any punishment. Who is to enforce any punishment, if they decide on global matters? When is their global power stripped? When can they or can't they act retroactively on global matters? What's the difference between a global matter that effects Gentoo, and a global matter that effects only the council? --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation --=-ShHJ8WbvhZPvbDDII6o1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkgwTfMACgkQPrChP8zZLybc3QCeNW5oSDUVpOo6UmEPflG3Pd3R zqgAn0VrQcyqELem+YkB3DEOyHwPN0ky =yCUT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ShHJ8WbvhZPvbDDII6o1-- -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list