From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jxklx-0005Cn-9E for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:26:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73922E0517; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D644E0517 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.211] (c-76-18-195-255.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.18.195.255]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437B76718F for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] Special meeting [WAS: Council meeting summary for 8 May 2008] From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-project In-Reply-To: <20080518160110.60840c3e@snowcone> References: <20080508233328.GA8896@comet> <20080515204913.GA22285@comet> <20080515220543.5c5a2c03@snowcone> <482CB0B2.6090702@gentoo.org> <20080516164612.GA14234@comet> <482DF281.6010208@gentoo.org> <20080516213454.538ce4e8@anaconda.krait.us> <7c612fc60805161611w48d9e134m7437c4a29f33d79a@mail.gmail.com> <20080517001849.4802ceec@googlemail.com> <20080518105649.GC17371@basestar> <20080518160110.60840c3e@snowcone> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3sWjjggby9AAXrvklRcn" Organization: Gentoo Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:26:00 -0400 Message-Id: <1211124360.5569.17.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 X-Archives-Salt: f0262e88-d85a-445d-9496-a42f004f6a25 X-Archives-Hash: d8b76dd9499105cc4e32584e317a97fb --=-3sWjjggby9AAXrvklRcn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 16:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:56:49 +0200 > Wernfried Haas wrote: > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:18:49AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > [..] you're locked into what's now known as GLEP 39 > > > until there's a global vote to replace it with something else.=20 > >=20 > > Source? I don't see anything in glep 39 that says so. So as far i > > understand it glep 39 is just another glep and can be modified like > > any other glep. >=20 > For the zillionth time... GLEP 39 was not a GLEP. It was one of a > collection of proposals (that were not GLEPs) that were voted upon by a > global vote. It was then *later* made available in GLEP form by Grant > for convenience, but it wasn't accepted as a GLEP. Ok, but where is it stated that changes, or amendments can only be done/approved by a global vote? As it stands now, it clearly states global issues are to be decided by the council. With no conditions or stipulations. It's understood how it came about, although I was not around at the time. However once it's been approved. It's not clear who has the authority to enforce it. Or if/when the council is stripped of power, in situations where they are being punished and/or replaced. Much less which global matters, like amending a GLEP ( or what ever you want to clal it ), can=EF=BB=BF=EF=BB=BF they directly vote and act upon. Or which = ones must be brought to the developer base for a vote. Also correct me if I am wrong, but this was voted in before there was a council. Thus developers had no other way, other than a meeting of TLP managers to decide upon global issues. So IMHO once voted upon and a council was created to decided upon global matters. Individual power has been given up, and passed on from developers and TLP managers, to council members. Just as we pass on power in govt to our elected representatives. > Unfortunately, it seems that people are misinterpreting this -- it > might have been better to document it as 'The Council's Constitution' > or somesuch... That would have been better. Also if the GLEP went into more detail, and had other provisions. Like stripping the council of their power in a situation like this one. Presently till replaced, if replaced, they still have full power to decide upon global issues. --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation --=-3sWjjggby9AAXrvklRcn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkgwSogACgkQPrChP8zZLybr1gCgwW5T5vWvekUmvpue3FDH4huG ZsQAoNjlZHQbbupP5kiKEEB9KlO+iNV+ =s7PU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3sWjjggby9AAXrvklRcn-- -- gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org mailing list