From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IHe66-0000Gn-OQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:16:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l75BGPcN027924; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:16:25 GMT Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk (pythagoras.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.140]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l75BGOXj027919 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:16:24 GMT Received: from [62.3.120.141] (helo=spike) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IHe5w-00026i-Be for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:16:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:16:23 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Proposal to ease flames To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: (from slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk on Sun Aug 5 02:36:02 2007) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.16 Message-Id: <1186312583l.6913l.0l@spike> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [62.3.120.141] X-Archives-Salt: 057bb11c-5faf-4853-a7ac-4c523c5d2333 X-Archives-Hash: babd13d1da38a1def5a6b0a2fbc76bba Steve, I've in lined my words of wisdom ... you may not agree with them but=20 they are mine, after all. On 2007.08.05 02:36, Steve Long wrote: > I was thinking about the recent discussion re flames and firefighting > on the dev m-l. One thing that occurred to me, as a user who has been=20 > on one side of those, is that it would have been better if I had=20 > never been able to post more than two posts in a day. (I mean this=20 > for the technical dev m-l, not project.) That's ok as long as you only want to respond to flames and be off=20 topic. It would limit the noise a non dev can create. As soon as you=20 want to use -dev for its intended purpose, it would cramp your style. This could not be usefully automated >=20 > That's plenty for me to say "I think that's out of order" and to > answer a response, but it also means I can't get too emotional if I=20 > get flamed by a stressed-out dev.=20 Nor can you easily take part in technical discussions, should you want=20 to :) > After all, since the proctors have gone, there's no one to respond in=20 > anything like mail-list time in the (admittedly unlikely ;) event=20 > that there is another flamewar on the dev list and more cogently > no-one to mute a troublesome user (in real time). A dev who is > consistently anti-social (especially out of the blue when they should=20 > just ignore the thread) can be dealt with by devrel. (And have been=20 > in the past.) After the fallout from the "Bubble thread" that lead directly to the=20 death of the proctors, -dev appears to have calmed down. I'm not sure=20 if that's because the proctors got so much publicity over that one=20 incident that everyone knows of it and reviewed their behavior, or if=20 they have just gone on summer holidays. I think this list will help=20 take the pressure of -dev too. >=20 > If the user is making a valid point, surely others will post in > support, and in any event they can respond the next day. That would=20 > minimise the chance that a user unused to the rough-and-tumble of dev=20 > behaviour would react in a hostile manner, and can in no way be seen=20 > as censorship of the user community, at least to my mind. If you are making a valid technical point, your posts don't need to be=20 throttled. If not, you should not post to -dev at all. >=20 > What do you think? >=20 Social problems demand human in the loop control. That's why courts=20 have (skilled ?) judges for sentencing, not just a look up table of=20 offence - punishment. A part of Gentoos problem and probably other OS projects, is that most=20 devs are still learning their social skills. They are school or=20 university students. > --=20 > gentoo-project@gentoo.org mailing list >=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) -- gentoo-project@gentoo.org mailing list