From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 551AD139085 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A731E0D79; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4674BE0D78 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [46.246.41.25] (anon-41-25.vpn.ipredator.se [46.246.41.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zlg) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A62D4340F43 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> From: Daniel Campbell Message-ID: <07794881-ff2b-f269-7b0c-ec3b9ef9133f@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:38:10 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="37wMhDFXIX7VMVUFJ7LNfKSOvD4cgaPWe" X-Archives-Salt: a27458a8-6f8d-4ead-bc48-733a4e120bca X-Archives-Hash: 9984fcff70e2b4879d174fc295e9ba57 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --37wMhDFXIX7VMVUFJ7LNfKSOvD4cgaPWe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IOpvBBuw1ieMtVw1Akpg8RVAxalFX7TR0" From: Daniel Campbell To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <07794881-ff2b-f269-7b0c-ec3b9ef9133f@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal References: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> --IOpvBBuw1ieMtVw1Akpg8RVAxalFX7TR0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/15/2017 11:23 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > It should be noted that an unauthorized disclosure of sensitive > information by any party involved would be a base for a strong > disciplinary action. Overall fair procedures and points, but this particular part punishes whistleblowing, from inside *or* outside Gentoo. If a given target/subject decides to share all related communications to make their points publicly, the above suggestion recommends the subject is silenced and/or ejected for revealing something directly involving them. If the intent is to make whistleblowing risky or otherwise (socially) dangerous, then it'll get the job done, but at a cost to community morale over the long term. I don't support a procedure that punishes people for pointing out when it (the procedure) is not working correctly.= I think a more fair restriction would be to place it on Comrel and Council, as they are being trusted to not share private information. What the two (or more?) sides do in a dispute isn't something we can reasonably control, except on our own infrastructure. I find it unnecessary and meaningless to place sanctions on users or other participants of a conflict if they choose to make their communications public. It's /their/ dirty laundry, after all. --=20 Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 --IOpvBBuw1ieMtVw1Akpg8RVAxalFX7TR0-- --37wMhDFXIX7VMVUFJ7LNfKSOvD4cgaPWe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEgIn+0tMDW9PQWDLnASQOlFA54XAFAlh+LFIACgkQASQOlFA5 4XB9ORAAjTJP2wGnE9G25PO/Nhg2+3GdnylrUY5cEPY2oIz7ZHdALfXRr4qY6zrB kGKJxagr4v088IGn4zongwDzQ/9ee/wGQwKHTEEH9GK1t6Ii422rSaay4e6Nygcp hL3Lj93LGE3ayqVc+tZ04r8qIXGUfM1Ll4tQ9ajEZOOTPVQraZwkdXFF4qmZMNmO lfZai5tu4YsNXe0/p28CoAuRowsEcaG9oBK56/2so8AFyJoekIPq0l19zuV/Tq66 hAVdUt4Xt0JTFrBNDWvHxD4mekzxUprfTuPcVH7++3VPDHUcrwKJusZl7LDVNTpj CA/pQSF3RZ3WhJ9YA6u+B/57zmZNlqda4+c2nK9gub4jjx6Nklwi4+rBnx/v1N79 N0BkLvoGQb0tmEVnV8OPQpUmPKZ70+HqJ4f0YMC5u4jGllPb9xFvLiXW8upJFOMI TDKaILh1701cQ4UurnOrfr9Bkql5rJrwYSBUguHBPrCjw/f3qa9unmhL/7CNDnS4 AFftxbUiRmrnvxw38+wdWti3aeZPMMb2Ewiff7yhY+uT8dnOZIWajMxN8BGqLPkc AGlau/Gqp0O91OB4xXMWwsZIrhK54KxO6kaZIo6idRl0tX5jz5Snhi+iTKKo2/KW iABUrkrPkVnv9q03ISW4fIIub1Bi1eLfxqOvdLj6+fLqYQAlOlo= =VVk8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --37wMhDFXIX7VMVUFJ7LNfKSOvD4cgaPWe--