From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 914121382C5 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BAF87E0934; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 794A1E0921 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <32ea0394-4fec-09c3-45e0-74a2396e1403@gentoo.org> From: Mikle Kolyada Autocrypt: addr=zlogene@gentoo.org; keydata= mQENBFtCkdwBCAC7LGb65KM8ZhysEDzbBnggTsUMXMZ3pJWFQtLaxm8f99p2HL9GFcEP94A6 BXExWzMcIba/AdL0ogU2mS/Jbs7DHUFVRT3yQDtiq+md5h3hZvi52QyRlELWG9ElDLuUse5E 58WJgLx+SXD5qgUowqTgCzNbXAJQNKQtNWIC+Zy29m53Xj8yBnRsRuwd0kO/Zn7DJL5dCKL2 ItzfJNpG5MTayLyNkl3QgCqPPFsQEd7aqqqhxq1pn/dwX22vyMJwsv/6SV5vaNTYSg9p8hVn r3mLVYg6/UIvwAIgNJKhQlG1bkoOq5+jgq8a7GdRUeY8fHSqLERucmal8fBqWmvZH+jRABEB AAG0Ik1pa2xlIEtvbHlhZGEgPHpsb2dlbmVAZ2VudG9vLm9yZz6JAVQEEwEIAD4CGwMFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCXnCD+gUJBvBZ HgAKCRA+fhwhqdFLl2l5B/9yuMevovnx7sT1oe77RfxX++I8Ye7PntsAheg9sk+0j804hWy8 b0UdXnC7Do0cVGNc8S4++3oJ0dZUL/sARMyRhPeFNak+KwVJ86oci2sMDdSDHIDsYIT+36Jh S02+c/ouj3//rPt5DWAe5OUJvFi0iBTThdmwyjIVFW+/nW5O0+vCZksRyjiC2uxguCUq8z3i /ezA7lqHUtKRwf+HRKlvyTeKDEDu6c/1/clXRJY7CmwcthEg1ZI6XdsXoM8D7+z0RZ1HFZVF iUBhajL67yNJigZe6oev6hW8JQxGwBKTGYZBEo8Jv+BKUnrEmghPVZ46qeOjo+3AaamFQkvY qEQDuQENBFtCkiQBCACkXeNeajg+f6XKDGJOHnxMs3PUeaaqx36wRkevzWjY20VwzSYOq2zn dXP/9Sz7mrJc2aQRXSAfbSeJvsInG/jyBI3vz2Lm6pRx3FkzHatjli5lEhtM6CQIpfZ9Rp18 YiJfrjnah/3UesBekbBOouxQv6188z/Hdilot6opvh1rd1sBE7ugB9w7E11e92bRLfuzCxa/ gKEu2CnH38zq5PQUvFVxRYuKeVXDaSFZc9IFNuysTW5EZOaowL6weeYFktChmvOR/WlSWBIk mrqRSwqJWoj0w2VDt/pzAE0RtQ1gztMcpzKOLSfyPrgP33UAb7VY/fjOwoggqFS0v3dEgj/z ABEBAAGJAnIEGAEIACYCGwIWIQRRPEwdu6XuhrjZQ70+fhwhqdFLlwUCXnCENwUJBQ8lkwFA wHQgBBkBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAltCkiQACgkQHICQJIqVl8fQzAf/ d9upIp1pgsBC8ie8fwN6mVMiE/u44LimyWBm/G813a0utxYIG10oBGQojq0LuOaLRBm/dvZz wl7ptDwIOubrvAXy6uGY0SOu+e05sKS730Pm5AoRsBx2UDdBIng3Xl/96FlIS8jDLDYgYh0F TXoKb6TNobWJD8caaFS1GC/iDil8AaFZcTPLtPtdDpC2rdQzOHfloVjDk93CZDUEGb/OXSfO nNk93mfXOoCu2Qmwb+bKOeavUPf5+yNiPFzz1/ktnuGXZrgsojRU2m+piyD3zWxisLuDLqP8 GSqYpNpt1JyRTXX6+FqOcGpFv/dineOJXFJaRXwVs0z3IwXYr394awkQPn4cIanRS5fPagf+ O9rndmzCILjrRhxfHZCnd1NIg2Pb3NgI683uREVgobw/XXBNedVZd9LqktrQ1gYF4tJfghkY C0B/F+XRPT5OVv/e978q17HzgdVMH5SMJ1MlMVjaZm1reUulXLD0QXDNPinbXpcgZ8RE7GIh d+K3H/x/E+NlAWr4j+NqGooBEA1DBCGEkdDa3Kano8qI2V1Fg7AhhMWrXmjLDKW22lh8xjGQ ZcbmUIaiucXxC6c8JeJOE8AV0lK9ofPqzLu/lXSxRhVT66EBl252Nw++OlOy9/DMEzQmOd7m 4qSzHst1SCFJqNhVCZNYKj4R7oSt3mGhywLl+ux+iRwNjgbX7oa467kBDQRbQpP0AQgAroTc ZKog9QT3rYF6PDWRVk1MBsJgDM5Xl2amZqP5TVOEwXgQNu6f5rwsfANRqCdsSfhn3odYmPWo Yy1hRCFZeXcDEc6l5tG5JRGt9SIxrCFPsfnfpY2h5ll9ycxiveKf3g+xUO72UEtDY979W0LZ 2/xxDOaWd5XGKt+Dmncsx4vMktCi54a4M3JWnLJqfx5nP7gIWXNqzqEEUFIZ2NbJFpPu89jb zglVcgfpWVqDirnOk17wh1C15YFkZHlek+ErwbsfS2hGESqpJRu5q3MatYWYvVwGgCkdtORw WguVKdBS3sOEo+IFIsckglnR3lq+ElXje6vVFqpcJAB0K9AMMQARAQABiQE8BBgBCAAmAhsM FiEEUTxMHbul7oa42UO9Pn4cIanRS5cFAl5whDcFCQUPI8MACgkQPn4cIanRS5frTAf/R+S6 QEAeTOeErhGvARjg+ZELupcdwPwBL6QWStGV+1qj5H4BZk1dqu5JBXI8npbGZUEsWRh8jYfp qokBMhtYBVj9SoODO3viLvHYn2izR1UKEpGO6Jfij9DpQ1jRfhYDg9WqriLNJMW5Tt4uOszA SqyJFtsKn2zhWIYvTqC6nGwhTxC0Ujohm1Gdf7RdX7ktOAFyOQKy9LkFkkKOWobSgWfjlbvi +FDFHbsfsAyh6VsT87stMoBSglwuwoifgpfwgn+ZWNbcHg7Lwmmm7F1nggDuXUBCFR76lI3V N4QR+ka56mHa/GM093ZS3ycpZbjD0WivVsEtI9EDPGxbEMnliQ== Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Question for 2020 council candidates: Dev recruitment status Message-ID: <0131255f-7252-f41e-632f-69660c1f8abe@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 16:11:25 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <32ea0394-4fec-09c3-45e0-74a2396e1403@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xUXiWhgVKUIJmOh4MF7Whu035Er4I57bU" X-Archives-Salt: 300d61fd-c8fa-48f2-9cf9-24d65c4939bb X-Archives-Hash: f726a3217cddef71df9e631f9c52548e This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xUXiWhgVKUIJmOh4MF7Whu035Er4I57bU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="UsI69DM1sOQKzNrrkjC0VX3sbJlMTt4tC"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mikle Kolyada To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <0131255f-7252-f41e-632f-69660c1f8abe@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Question for 2020 council candidates: Dev recruitment status References: <32ea0394-4fec-09c3-45e0-74a2396e1403@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <32ea0394-4fec-09c3-45e0-74a2396e1403@gentoo.org> --UsI69DM1sOQKzNrrkjC0VX3sbJlMTt4tC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Hello,=C2=A0 Joonas On 28.06.2020 14:43, Joonas Niilola wrote: > This is the yearly repeating question: How do you view the current > recruitment status in Gentoo? > > In your opinion... > =C2=A0- are we getting enough new devs on board? No > =C2=A0- does the current recruitment system work? Clarification needed. Do we define "recruitment" as a period of time between quizzes submission=C2=A0 and the final decision, or do we also include mentoring period? The hardest part of the entire process is mentoring. It is really _hard_ to find a mentor. Very little amount of people want to devote their time on teaching, even less do it with great enthusiasm. From my=C2=A0 very personal observations the more time a mentee spends with a mentor the less time a recruiter spends to finish the review. > =C2=A0- can the current devbase handle "everything" (we have a lot of > low-manned projects)? If not, how could council aid in? We could do much better, that is for sure. > =C2=A0- why do we have hundreds of contributors who'll never become dev= s? (is > there a problem in "marketing", or is the recruitment process too hard,= > or something else?) Some people consider quizzes difficult, overall, I have already explained= before why quizzes are like that. I could only repeat myself, but I guess you know the answer (not sure if I must bring this up to the thre= ad again). Apart from that, proxied contributions are easier to conduct and a proxied person takes much less responsibility. > =C2=A0- should council stay away from this topic, and leave every decis= ion to > recruiters? (If I remember correctly, recruiters project were dropped t= o > 1 person because they had internal issues deciding how to handle future= > recruitment). I'm also asking this because I have a suggestion to renew= > recruitment process a bit. Should I post my suggestion to -core for > every dev to see, -project for everyone to see, or contact recruiters > who can silently approve/disapprove/modify my suggestion, without anyon= e > else knowing what I suggested? The entire story was based on the opinion of a single council member who suddenly decided not to contact recruiters before posting anything to the - core ml. I guess this was explained very well by gokturk. If you are interested in helping out, consider this my reply an invitatio= n to become a recruiter. > [..] > -- juippis > > --UsI69DM1sOQKzNrrkjC0VX3sbJlMTt4tC-- --xUXiWhgVKUIJmOh4MF7Whu035Er4I57bU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEWmyBGnI+Eihw6dN8HICQJIqVl8cFAl74lwcACgkQHICQJIqV l8cqygf7BleZClYpp+pLODS7G67OTzSGz5miHyWQp/3fernGylxgjJmgxgHz2wwe HNtHoa0S99gltv8LyV+hPIIN1x8Dva42f3l8LY1/3R5qcQrs7Rf2I/SQPKVAmPLE gYEjqFhs8c+tlEP+lFAQGRu6TDVpea516SYMCJfdV1lI06lQmFZU+G0E/SvTH3sy SKe5oshv0/uQal8DGQUxKYPXvwtLOmUw50BJCuRNVIR7NHsvYeFrAdLQaxUn6/B0 gvce1i55zZox5SZUqjlE/nheRPJZridCWc76iRhnmTDIrQtsfG9TC0PJoJPy8iX1 GAkE+4owV+PcEpGKpl+rkmZS700nUw== =lMNS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xUXiWhgVKUIJmOh4MF7Whu035Er4I57bU--