From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-proctors+bounces-5-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1HwQcu-0001yX-AN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:38:44 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l57McbHS008554; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:37 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57Mca3v008549 for <gentoo-proctors@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:36 GMT Received: from [172.28.2.20] (unknown [213.13.246.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC5664EE8 for <gentoo-proctors@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <466888DC.8090606@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:38:20 +0000 From: "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070421) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-proctors@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-proctors+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-proctors+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-proctors+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Proctors List <gentoo-proctors.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-proctors@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-proctors@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-proctors@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-proctors] Proctors - An RFC about their role/powers X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9f3b7405-6976-4878-a284-e5e69b19f843 X-Archives-Hash: 93dad78db70c99c3ebef5e4a8be3aea0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi. The following document is part of a mail I've sent to the proctors@ alias 6 weeks ago and that was my contribution to a discussion we were having about the CoC and the proctors. At the time I didn't submit that document here, because there was no such ml and we were still having an initial internal discussion. Since the team has yet to publish any document on this due to a variety of reasons and that we've been accused of not working on this issue (I say we, as a former member of the team), I think it's important to show that claim to be false. This document, "Proctors - Questions", and my view on this issue, "Proctors - Answers" are also available on their original format on http://dev.gentoo.org/~jmbsvicetto/proctors/ In this document I tried to raise the questions I thought the proctors needed to address or clarify in order to be able to carry out their work. This is my personal and humble opinion. Although some members agreed with most of my questions / answers, these 2 documents in no way constitute the team's opinion at that moment or now, let alone define their policy. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gentoo Proctors General Applicability / Enforcement Questions (to be answered by council?) What medium/channels? Initial proposal included all #gentoo-* IRC channels, the MLs, Bugzilla and Forums. IRC is problematic both technically, users can evade bans and we can't control all #gentoo-* channels. So, what channels? Do we want proctors to moderate #gentoo-dev? #gentoo-chat / OTW - I've asked this before and the answers that were provided would in my view imply a change in the current status of those channels What powers? What philosophy: punishments/preventive action? What are the available options for the different mediums (we need the input from infra) Do we want/accept penalties/remedies crossing mediums? (Do we want a ban from forums to extend to bugzilla?) Do we want/accept permanent bans? What audience? Do we address users and devs? (council said everyone) What powers can/will the proctors have over devs? Do proctors act on devs directly or through devrel? What proctors? Are proctors elected or appointed and by whom? Are members elected/appointed for a mandate or for ad-eternum? Who controls the proctors? (who watches the watchman?) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- My answers to the final section on "what proctors", included some possibilities that clearly go beyond the current Gentoo metastructure and that I felt could / should be applied to other teams as well. I can conceive them as being the basis for a proposal to restructure the current organization, for example by requiring certain teams leads to be elected and or by defining a system of checks and balances that tries to ensure the council can define a direction for Gentoo but at the same time limiting their ability to staff teams. To be clear, this search for checks and balances was in no way motivated by any feeling of abuse of the current council or any of its members. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGaIjbcAWygvVEyAIRAncnAJ4o4FhY2eIkBkYq62I9N+ThnSp3/QCeN7cJ F37XlpKnJQxRfegc4//0BwA= =AKU5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-proctors@gentoo.org mailing list