[gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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I'm thinking it might be fun to start publicizing when we get ebuilds of
major packages into Portage the same day (within 24 hours, same calendar
day, whatever metric you choose) as the package is released upstream. We
could put a news item on the homepage and something in the GWN.

This would be exhibiting one of our strengths, which is having software
available quickly.

It sounds like a cool idea to me. Anyone agree?

I'd also like to hear some ideas on how to publicize our other
strengths.
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Donnie Berkholz
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 12:47:07AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I'm thinking it might be fun to start publicizing when we get ebuilds of
> major packages into Portage the same day (within 24 hours, same calendar
> day, whatever metric you choose) as the package is released upstream. We
> could put a news item on the homepage and something in the GWN.

Sounds fun to me; it's not that important to have those listed also on the
same day, is it? I mean, it's not difficult to find out what major packages
were released within 24h afterwards (just skim through the forums :) but
having this information available the next second might pose some
difficulties.

How would you receive the necessary information? From the packager himself?

> I'd also like to hear some ideas on how to publicize our other
> strengths.

We might want to have our strengths documented clearly (but concise)
somewhere. The "About Gentoo" page is a good location (recently updated with
Gentoo history).

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Kurt Lieber]

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On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 12:47:07AM -0700 or thereabouts, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> It sounds like a cool idea to me. Anyone agree?

Sure -- sounds like a reasonable idea.  Definitely include it in the GWN.
If we're going to start posting stuff on the front page as well, we should
have some guidelines for what is considered "front page worthy".  Just
because we get an obscure app-sci version bump into portage within 24 hours
of release doesn't mean all our users need/want to be informed about that
on the front page of our web site. :)

> I'd also like to hear some ideas on how to publicize our other
> strengths.

Well, at the risk of contradicting what I just said -- we need to publish
more information on the front page of our web site. :)  We always say this,
but for some reason, nobody ever submits stories.  I don't think it's
because the submission process is hard (send me an email with your story)
so I'm not sure why people don't submit more news.

Maybe if we sought out one person and made it their job to update stuff on
the front page and/or other areas that we designate?

--kurt


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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:59:40AM +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> Well, at the risk of contradicting what I just said -- we need to publish
> more information on the front page of our web site. :)  We always say this,
> but for some reason, nobody ever submits stories.  I don't think it's
> because the submission process is hard (send me an email with your story)
> so I'm not sure why people don't submit more news.

I believe not many people think their news is post-worthy. I'll submit GDP
Status Updates when they're large enough to have the community see that the
GDP is working their butts off to provide decent documentation. 

Status Updates are very interesting for the users, but the project leads
should take some time to write some.

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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  The Gentoo Project   <<< http://www.gentoo.org >>>

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 11:59 +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> Well, at the risk of contradicting what I just said -- we need to publish
> more information on the front page of our web site. :)  We always say this,
> but for some reason, nobody ever submits stories.  I don't think it's
> because the submission process is hard (send me an email with your story)
> so I'm not sure why people don't submit more news.

Is there actually something written down somewhere that says, "If you
want something on the front page, email it to Kurt"? We should get a
little page or section on the PR page that says who to contact if you've
got news for the front page.
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Donnie Berkholz
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 12:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> How would you receive the necessary information? From the packager himself?

That's my thought. Or anyone else observant enough to notice it.
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Donnie Berkholz
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Eric G Ortego]

The front page should fun to go to. Currently I only go to see if the
GWN is out yet.

I would like to see a section on ( besides in the Changelog) the
changes made to portage. And other things Gentoo specific. Things like
-U being depreciated, -a being added , /var/cache/edb/virtuals not
being used, a new tool in gentoolkit, etc, etc...  Mabe things like
/var/cache/edb/virtuals is a bit too much for a regular user but some
of the additions and improvements go unnoticed(by me) for months.
I Also think most any news on the progress or direction and (re)focus
of diffrent gentoo projects would be front page worthy. We all know
gentoo is a great project but I ask, What's New? Whats next? and How
can we be first?

0-day ebuilds sounds nice, but I don't see it bringing me to the front
page often.
Its a nice toot yer own horn and worthy of an RSS feed.


On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:26:11 -0700, Donnie Berkholz
<spyderous@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 12:01 +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> > How would you receive the necessary information? From the packager himself?
> 
> That's my thought. Or anyone else observant enough to notice it.
> --
> Donnie Berkholz
> Gentoo Linux
> 
> 
>

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 09:29 -0500, Eric G Ortego wrote:
> 0-day ebuilds sounds nice, but I don't see it bringing me to the front
> page often.
> Its a nice toot yer own horn and worthy of an RSS feed.

Part of the idea of PR is making ourselves look good. It may be to draw
media to our front page, not "average" users.
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Donnie Berkholz
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:29:48AM -0500, Eric G Ortego wrote:
> I would like to see a section on ( besides in the Changelog) the
> changes made to portage. And other things Gentoo specific.

I'm working on this. A news item for the new Portage 2.0.51 is waiting to be
submitted, but it can only go live when it (Portage 2.0.51) is released and
in stable.

What we are dealing here is what all major OSS/FS projects suffer from:
interesting news about new features - when are we going to publicize this?

We can release such news:
- before it's implemented, but when the first steps are being persuid
  (Fedora does this)
- when it's implemented in the used versioning system
- when it's available for interested users (think ~arch or snapshot
  releases)
- when it's available for general usage

For Portage 2.0.51, I'm waiting for it to be released generally. I don't
know if this is the best approach, but it's the easiest as it gives me
sufficient time to collect the necessary information about the upcoming
Portage (you'd be surprised how difficult it might be to find enough
information to draft a decent news item). 

Information flow is vital for PR. When new projects are started within
Gentoo, I believe it is the task of the project lead to inform the public
about the project, it's progress, etc. 

We currently do not have a well-known way to do this. The project lead can
mail pr@gentoo.org with it's information and ask it to be publicized.
Perhaps we might want to document this on our webpage or in the
developers handbook. Or we can draft a new way to deal with this (a GLEP
would be needed in this case as GLEPs draw much attention :)

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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  The Gentoo Project   <<< http://www.gentoo.org >>>

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Re: [gentoo-pr] 0-day ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 03:38, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> I'm working on this. A news item for the new Portage 2.0.51 is waiting to be
> submitted, but it can only go live when it (Portage 2.0.51) is released and
> in stable.

I'd suggest not waiting til it hits stable. Release it as soon as it's
in ~arch and you have enough information. It'll be like a preview for
stable users, and a mini-howto for ~arch.
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Donnie Berkholz
Gentoo Linux


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