[gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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Friends,

we should have a new meeting to discuss the autounmask patches and
dynamic dependencies[0]. Please add your own items to the agenda,
should you have any.

I will set up the meeting scheduler later. Suggest a time that you
think could work by replying to this email. No earlier than the 21st,
please. I need to talk to Brian when he gets back, and hear if he is
able to and wants to be a part of it.


[0]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Dynamic_dependencies>
[1]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings#Agenda>
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Brian Dolbec]

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On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 20:10:01 +0200
Alexander Berntsen <bernalex@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Friends,
> 
> we should have a new meeting to discuss the autounmask patches and
> dynamic dependencies[0]. Please add your own items to the agenda,
> should you have any.
> 
> I will set up the meeting scheduler later. Suggest a time that you
> think could work by replying to this email. No earlier than the 21st,
> please. I need to talk to Brian when he gets back, and hear if he is
> able to and wants to be a part of it.
> 
> 
> [0]
> <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Dynamic_dependencies>
> [1]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings#Agenda>
> - -- 
> Alexander
> bernalex@gentoo.org
> 

I can be around, but am out of sync with current happenings.  I also
tire very quickly...

SO will not be running the meeting...  but try to participate :D

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Brian Dolbec <dolsen>

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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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Hi,

I'm organizing this event : Portage meeting

I'd like to find out your availability. This link will show you my
proposed times. All you need to do is click on when is good for you ...

http://whenisgood.net/portage

Thanks!
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Alexander
alexander@plaimi.net
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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The Portage team meeting will be Thursday 24th at 6pm. If you have
some really good reason for it not be, let me know and I will at least
consider rearranging it.
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Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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MEETING SUMMARY
===============

Assorted Bugs
- --------------
Andreas Hüttel has patch for repoman. It checks that a package does
not depend on anything in perl-core if it is not a virtual package.
This patch will be tested and merged by myself. The related bug is:
<https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516428>.

I have a set of patches that drastically alter the behaviour of
autounmask. These behavioural changes are accepted and will go into
portage after we make our next release. The related bug is:
<https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578>.

It was agreed that having --ask prompting the user to read pending
news item is an acceptable degree of interactivity. The related bug
is: <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=517310>.

News checking can be done when synching Portage. This will be worked
on after the portage-sync branch has been merged. The related bug is:
<https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512704>.

There were no objections to Joakim Tjernlund's fakeroot patches. I
will get in touch with Joakim and have him explain me the intricacies
of the patches and why they are necessary, etc. I will then test and
merge them. The related bug is:
<https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489016>.

Michał Gorny wants to make repoman only complain about direct
deprecated inherits. This was OK by everyone. There is no
corresponding bug.


New Release
- -----------
A new release will be made after I have tested and merged Andreas's
patch. I will tag the commit in git, Brian Dolbec will upload the
tarball and bump the ebuild.


repoman status
- --------------
The repoman kludge is being split into multiple small files with few
checks in each, and the check initialisation and other management left
in a big file still. This is the first round of refactoring -- Brian
thinks we will need three rounds. The second round will be
reorganising parts into a plugin system.

Minor patches (such as Andreas's) will be committed to both the
refactor branch (repoman), and to the current Portage HEAD. Major
patches will only be merged in the refactor branch.

Brian is not yet recovered from his surgery, so Tom Wijsman is
presently in charge of the refactor.


Dynamic dependencies
- --------------------
Dynamic dependencies will be turned off. Michał and myself (and I
encourage everyone else that has the time to join in) will rebuild
world without dynamic dependencies locally on our own work computers,
and try to live without them for a while as to stumble upon the
potential problems. We will continuously document how to fix whatever
mess arises. We might also write some tools to assist migration.

After a while of testing, an email will be sent to the developer's
mailing list to let them prepare to not being able to rely on dynamic
dependencies tricks. Then, pending some reasonable amount of time
(likely at least 30 days), we roll out a release with dynamic
dependencies disabled. This release will be accompanied by a NEWS item
for users and developers alike.

New member
- ----------
I finally trick^Wconvinced Michał to join. Welcome to the team!
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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On 25/07/14 11:54, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> MEETING SUMMARY ===============
> 
> Assorted Bugs -------------- Andreas Hüttel has patch for repoman.
> It checks that a package does not depend on anything in perl-core
> if it is not a virtual package. This patch will be tested and
> merged by myself. The related bug is: 
> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516428>.
> 
> I have a set of patches that drastically alter the behaviour of 
> autounmask. These behavioural changes are accepted and will go
> into portage after we make our next release. The related bug is: 
> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578>.
> 
> It was agreed that having --ask prompting the user to read pending 
> news item is an acceptable degree of interactivity. The related
> bug is: <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=517310>.
> 
> News checking can be done when synching Portage. This will be
> worked on after the portage-sync branch has been merged. The
> related bug is: <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512704>.
> 
> There were no objections to Joakim Tjernlund's fakeroot patches. I 
> will get in touch with Joakim and have him explain me the
> intricacies of the patches and why they are necessary, etc. I will
> then test and merge them. The related bug is: 
> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489016>.
> 
> Michał Gorny wants to make repoman only complain about direct 
> deprecated inherits. This was OK by everyone. There is no 
> corresponding bug.
> 
> 
> New Release ----------- A new release will be made after I have
> tested and merged Andreas's patch. I will tag the commit in git,
> Brian Dolbec will upload the tarball and bump the ebuild.
> 
> 
> repoman status -------------- The repoman kludge is being split
> into multiple small files with few checks in each, and the check
> initialisation and other management left in a big file still. This
> is the first round of refactoring -- Brian thinks we will need
> three rounds. The second round will be reorganising parts into a
> plugin system.
> 
> Minor patches (such as Andreas's) will be committed to both the 
> refactor branch (repoman), and to the current Portage HEAD. Major 
> patches will only be merged in the refactor branch.
> 
> Brian is not yet recovered from his surgery, so Tom Wijsman is 
> presently in charge of the refactor.
> 
> 
> Dynamic dependencies -------------------- Dynamic dependencies will
> be turned off. Michał and myself (and I encourage everyone else
> that has the time to join in) will rebuild world without dynamic
> dependencies locally on our own work computers, and try to live
> without them for a while as to stumble upon the potential problems.
> We will continuously document how to fix whatever mess arises. We
> might also write some tools to assist migration.
> 
> After a while of testing, an email will be sent to the developer's 
> mailing list to let them prepare to not being able to rely on
> dynamic dependencies tricks. Then, pending some reasonable amount
> of time (likely at least 30 days), we roll out a release with
> dynamic dependencies disabled. This release will be accompanied by
> a NEWS item for users and developers alike.
> 
> New member ---------- I finally trick^Wconvinced Michał to join.
> Welcome to the team!

One more thing that I forgot about: The 9999 and 2.2.10 ebuilds will
have their EAPI bumped to 5 by Michał.
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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On 25/07/14 12:42, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> On 25/07/14 11:54, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
>> MEETING SUMMARY ===============
> 
>> Assorted Bugs -------------- Andreas Hüttel has patch for
>> repoman. It checks that a package does not depend on anything in
>> perl-core if it is not a virtual package. This patch will be
>> tested and merged by myself. The related bug is: 
>> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516428>.
> 
>> I have a set of patches that drastically alter the behaviour of 
>> autounmask. These behavioural changes are accepted and will go 
>> into portage after we make our next release. The related bug is:
>>  <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578>.
> 
>> It was agreed that having --ask prompting the user to read
>> pending news item is an acceptable degree of interactivity. The
>> related bug is:
>> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=517310>.
> 
>> News checking can be done when synching Portage. This will be 
>> worked on after the portage-sync branch has been merged. The 
>> related bug is:
>> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512704>.
> 
>> There were no objections to Joakim Tjernlund's fakeroot patches.
>> I will get in touch with Joakim and have him explain me the 
>> intricacies of the patches and why they are necessary, etc. I
>> will then test and merge them. The related bug is: 
>> <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489016>.
> 
>> Michał Gorny wants to make repoman only complain about direct 
>> deprecated inherits. This was OK by everyone. There is no 
>> corresponding bug.
> 
> 
>> New Release ----------- A new release will be made after I have 
>> tested and merged Andreas's patch. I will tag the commit in git, 
>> Brian Dolbec will upload the tarball and bump the ebuild.
> 
> 
>> repoman status -------------- The repoman kludge is being split 
>> into multiple small files with few checks in each, and the check 
>> initialisation and other management left in a big file still.
>> This is the first round of refactoring -- Brian thinks we will
>> need three rounds. The second round will be reorganising parts
>> into a plugin system.
> 
>> Minor patches (such as Andreas's) will be committed to both the 
>> refactor branch (repoman), and to the current Portage HEAD. Major
>>  patches will only be merged in the refactor branch.
> 
>> Brian is not yet recovered from his surgery, so Tom Wijsman is 
>> presently in charge of the refactor.
> 
> 
>> Dynamic dependencies -------------------- Dynamic dependencies
>> will be turned off. Michał and myself (and I encourage everyone
>> else that has the time to join in) will rebuild world without
>> dynamic dependencies locally on our own work computers, and try
>> to live without them for a while as to stumble upon the potential
>> problems. We will continuously document how to fix whatever mess
>> arises. We might also write some tools to assist migration.
> 
>> After a while of testing, an email will be sent to the
>> developer's mailing list to let them prepare to not being able to
>> rely on dynamic dependencies tricks. Then, pending some
>> reasonable amount of time (likely at least 30 days), we roll out
>> a release with dynamic dependencies disabled. This release will
>> be accompanied by a NEWS item for users and developers alike.
> 
>> New member ---------- I finally trick^Wconvinced Michał to join. 
>> Welcome to the team!
> 
> One more thing that I forgot about: The 9999 and 2.2.10 ebuilds
> will have their EAPI bumped to 5 by Michał.
Brian informs me that it's the 2.2.11 ebuild, not the 2.2.10 ebuild
which will be bumped to EAPI 5. Sorry for the confusion.
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Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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Sorry, I got timezone confused! That's 7pm UTC 0.
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Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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[gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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Brian approached me a while back saying we need a new meeting. So
let's do that. Sorry for taking so long.

So set your availability[0], and add your items to the agenda[1].


[0]  <http://whenisgood.net/portage>
[1]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings#Agenda>
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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It seems the three of us who've replied are all available 2016-06-07
at 2pm UTC. That's 4pm for me. Check when it is in your timezone[0],
and I'll see you then! And remember to update the agenda[1] with your
items.


[0]
<http://whenisgood.net/ResultsPopup?event=portage&code=y8rwaw9&slot=1465308000000>
[1]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings#Agenda>
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Brian Dolbec]

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On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 19:06:38 +0200
Alexander Berntsen <bernalex@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> 
> It seems the three of us who've replied are all available 2016-06-07
> at 2pm UTC. That's 4pm for me. Check when it is in your timezone[0],
> and I'll see you then! And remember to update the agenda[1] with your
> items.
> 
> 
> [0]
> <http://whenisgood.net/ResultsPopup?event=portage&code=y8rwaw9&slot=1465308000000>
> [1]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings#Agenda>
> - -- 
> Alexander
> bernalex@gentoo.org

Here it the full list of times:

WhenIsGood Results

Event:	Portage meeting
Date:	June 7, 2016
Time:	2:00:00 PM
Can make it:	Brian Dolbec <dol-sen>, bernalex, mgorny
Add to calendar:	iCal export
 	(Outlook, Mac iCal, Google, etc.)
Timezone:	UTC
 	 
Canada/Pacific
Date:	June 7, 2016
Time:	7:00:00 AM
Invitees:	Brian Dolbec <dol-sen>
 	 
Europe/Oslo
Date:	June 7, 2016
Time:	4:00:00 PM
Invitees:	bernalex
 	 
Poland
Date:	June 7, 2016
Time:	4:00:00 PM
Invitees:	mgorny
 	 

- -- 
Brian Dolbec <dolsen>

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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Michał Górny]

Dnia 3 czerwca 2016 19:06:38 CEST, Alexander Berntsen <bernalex@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
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>It seems the three of us who've replied are all available 2016-06-07
>at 2pm UTC. That's 4pm for me. Check when it is in your timezone[0],
>and I'll see you then! And remember to update the agenda[1] with your
>items.

Could you add the topic of PMS compliance patches for me? Thanks to our very helpful www team, wiki is completely inaccessible to people who are not around a PC.

I'll be in travel during the meeting, and I'll hopefully join via phone unless I fall asleep too hard :-). In case the latter happens, short note the releases topic:

I'd really appreciate if we could:

1. Get at least patches 1-3 (preferably all 4) of my INSTALL_MASK improvements merged,

2. Do a release with them and the global-score use* ban (already in master),

3. Delay USE_EXPAND patches post release.

The global-scope use* uses are already fixed, so urgent release with the change will prevent people from reintroducing them.

The INSTALL_MASK enhancements would give people more tools for lingua filtering. Therefore, it would be good to have it early, and to mention them in the news item before LINGUAS are adjusted to adhere to the PMS.

>
>
>[0]
><http://whenisgood.net/ResultsPopup?event=portage&code=y8rwaw9&slot=1465308000000>
>[1]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings#Agenda>
>- -- 
>Alexander
>bernalex@gentoo.org
>https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny (by phone)

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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On 07/06/16 09:48, Michał Górny wrote:
>> Could you add the topic of PMS compliance patches for me?
Done.

>> In case the latter happens, [here's a] short note
I will paste this when we begin the discussion.
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Alexander Berntsen]

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Friends,

Thank you for a nice meeting. A summary has been made available along
with the full log[0].


Brian, could you upload the log to your devspace and link that instead
of the bpaste? It would be nice to have them all in the same place. If
you don't have the time, I can just put it up myself. I put the paste
to expire after one month.


[0]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings>
- -- 
Alexander
bernalex@gentoo.org
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] New meeting

[Brian Dolbec]

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On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:29:01 +0200
Alexander Berntsen <bernalex@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> Friends,
> 
> Thank you for a nice meeting. A summary has been made available along
> with the full log[0].
> 
> 
> Brian, could you upload the log to your devspace and link that instead
> of the bpaste? It would be nice to have them all in the same place. If
> you don't have the time, I can just put it up myself. I put the paste
> to expire after one month.
> 
> 
> [0]  <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Meetings>
> - -- 
> Alexander
> bernalex@gentoo.org
> https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
>

Yeah, will do...

Sorry, I slept in... something that doesn't happen often.

- -- 
Brian Dolbec <dolsen>

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