From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B712138247 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2422FE0A82; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.plaimi.net (107.4.189.109.customer.cdi.no [109.189.4.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 791BBE0A80 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.plaimi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8B3F407E7 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:03:34 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=plaimi.net; s=leet; t=1385035414; bh=gOywZd7q76ZFLhmYOrr5JCY/8jR2XJeAmbSie5F2Q28=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dJLZqy0ORQuXrzkPlF9AxuGALzJqQ1fz37vx/1GSM0dvutHPxwGANOFDaMfKoDI14 bXM3hKbi9LmFTX7PaUC2MQkDFCY4uuQM8czmYTVwmGTg4G7la7u1nORtnqeVgjA4F3 lTURUqlqfETkOUDhI42EMwax0cX7v/M2bJOu7ydY= Message-ID: <528DF698.6090203@plaimi.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:03:36 +0100 From: Alexander Berntsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131001 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-portage-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-portage-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-portage-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCHES] Remove --autounmask, rename --autounmask-write to --autounmask References: <528DD07E.3010603@plaimi.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 72dc8063-6557-4188-8334-7355d1d008ce X-Archives-Hash: def9c598b61f88d47bc7c143b0fe4ad2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 21/11/13 12:19, Duncan wrote: > I'm with zmedico in comment #11, and *STRONGLY* oppose this change > as you're proposing. Current autounmask is **NOT** useless. How is it not? Consider comment 6[0] and 10[1]. > FWIW, I have a very specific portage layout and there's no way > "dumb automation" could put what I'd consider the appropriate write > in what I'd consider the appropriate file, nor do I want it to try! > (And even if it could do it perfectly, I want to /know/ what my > config is, and the best way for me to /know/ my config is if the > only way it changes is if I change it myself!) Irrelevant. > OTOH, current default autounmask (without write) behavior, having > portage tell me what (it thinks) I need to unmask and/or what > package.use flags it thinks I need is fine, and often quite helpful > indeed, as long as it's not actually trying to actually WRITE it > anywhere! Irrelevant. > If I read the above correctly, what you're proposing would kill > that behavior entirely if --ask is used, defaulting to writing > (fine if it can be turned off), with no way (at least no way with > --ask instead of --pretend) to tell portage to make the suggestion > it with --autounmask (which is the default now), with absolutely no > chance it's going to attempt to actually rewrite my config on its > own, period. I don't understand this sentence, but I think you *don't* understand what I am saying. Please read comment 10[1], in which I present examples. > OTOH, Zac's suggestion, to simply enable autounmask-write by > default but allow the user to set --autounmask-write=n if they > want, would be just fine, since I could put that in default options > and be done with it. Enabling --autounmask-write by default is a terrible idea. It will result in a lot of spam. Furthermore, consider comment 13[2]. > Tho even that's a sufficiently drastic change from current behavior > that I'd expect a good changelog entry mentioning it, and > preferably a news item, as it has the potential to screw up > people's configs if they aren't paying attention when the default > changes. I agree that a news item could be useful. [0] [1] [2] - -- Alexander alexander@plaimi.net http://plaimi.net/~alexander -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlKN9pgACgkQRtClrXBQc7UvcgD/XRz/iHDsnFa+qt8Q8ms+K//D wD/DIAWlKPStlEKW8noA/0b3aj5+jRGmebq1q4lnkp5PaweShxzvyphP2ZeRe5up =btNb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----