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From: Alexander Berntsen <alexander@plaimi.net>
To: gentoo-portage-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: [PATCHES] Remove --autounmask, rename --autounmask-write to --autounmask
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:03:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <528DF698.6090203@plaimi.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan$36887$d4f00cae$2cc7e477$5c929a36@cox.net>

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On 21/11/13 12:19, Duncan wrote:
> I'm with zmedico in comment #11, and *STRONGLY* oppose this change 
> as you're proposing.  Current autounmask is **NOT** useless.
How is it not? Consider comment 6[0] and 10[1].

> FWIW, I have a very specific portage layout and there's no way
> "dumb automation" could put what I'd consider the appropriate write
> in what I'd consider the appropriate file, nor do I want it to try!
> (And even if it could do it perfectly, I want to /know/ what my
> config is, and the best way for me to /know/ my config is if the
> only way it changes is if I change it myself!)
Irrelevant.

> OTOH, current default autounmask (without write) behavior, having 
> portage tell me what (it thinks) I need to unmask and/or what 
> package.use flags it thinks I need is fine, and often quite helpful
>  indeed, as long as it's not actually trying to actually WRITE it 
> anywhere!
Irrelevant.

> If I read the above correctly, what you're proposing would kill
> that behavior entirely if --ask is used, defaulting to writing
> (fine if it can be turned off), with no way (at least no way with
> --ask instead of --pretend) to tell portage to make the suggestion
> it with --autounmask (which is the default now), with absolutely no
> chance it's going to attempt to actually rewrite my config on its
> own, period.
I don't understand this sentence, but I think you *don't* understand
what I am saying. Please read comment 10[1], in which I present examples.

> OTOH, Zac's suggestion, to simply enable autounmask-write by
> default but allow the user to set --autounmask-write=n if they
> want, would be just fine, since I could put that in default options
> and be done with it.
Enabling --autounmask-write by default is a terrible idea. It will
result in a lot of spam. Furthermore, consider comment 13[2].

> Tho even that's a sufficiently drastic change from current behavior
>  that I'd expect a good changelog entry mentioning it, and
> preferably a news item, as it has the potential to screw up
> people's configs if they aren't paying attention when the default
> changes.
I agree that a news item could be useful.

[0]  <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578#c6>
[1]  <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578#c10>
[2]  <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578#c13>
- -- 
Alexander
alexander@plaimi.net
http://plaimi.net/~alexander
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-21 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-21  9:21 [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCHES] Remove --autounmask, rename --autounmask-write to --autounmask Alexander Berntsen
2013-11-21 11:19 ` [gentoo-portage-dev] " Duncan
2013-11-21 12:03   ` Alexander Berntsen [this message]
2013-11-21 13:34     ` Duncan
2013-11-21 14:23       ` Alexander Berntsen
2013-11-22  5:37         ` Duncan
2013-11-22  8:29           ` Alexander Berntsen
2013-11-21 16:30 ` [gentoo-portage-dev] " Paul Varner
2013-11-21 16:46   ` Alexander Berntsen
2013-11-21 21:05     ` Paul Varner
2013-11-21 20:06 ` Zac's status (Was: Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCHES] Remove --autounmask, rename --autounmask-write to --autounmask) Pacho Ramos
2013-11-22  8:51   ` Alexander Berntsen

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