From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SP8eC-0005Wv-Sp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 01 May 2012 08:41:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A92E4E07FA; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40E1E07FA for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so3110576wgb.4 for ; Tue, 01 May 2012 01:41:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; bh=3EnRBH/evPpwia5/9L7zMGxsyonPdYpAi6VpbLyCeVk=; b=uMxsQJ0lzKniS9OLi32Y8fqN9748vHxYw228wW5MO8Q3gCREV20RLGK1kM44WYCWXZ XY7Iswt4LR7iysEkve3jfF1HK2AxEmjGoa6DfK2MDPyXkE5cJGcRzgOA8wtp47PodlGV rM+ILmILK5gHvClKdBzqfKBUGF70AQHG/v/JDeP7PI4iN7ooZQoEUhauc4svYsFU+q8Q InQyIUXBBto6y6ELzKRmgyhso9XAVfgTlFRm+t7ms4IXbz0QSHJaECgOARwRcMPWWlj0 DZJ1RCQ+FbnIutTH82Uu/5eFM8tqU9lj+y8tHC/JdcPC+2e8BcbFnMbQjGVON7OR3NJu W65A== Received: by 10.180.88.199 with SMTP id bi7mr3450672wib.12.1335861671960; Tue, 01 May 2012 01:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc13-broo7-2-0-cust130.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.9.16.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff2sm55147961wib.9.2012.05.01.01.41.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 May 2012 01:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:38:41 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-pms] Re: EAPI 5 Message-ID: <20120501093841.655b4ab5@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <201205010102.49051.dilfridge@gentoo.org> References: <20120415021641.1858ffde@gentoo.org> <201205010040.32421.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20120430234420.70607954@googlemail.com> <201205010102.49051.dilfridge@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Package Manager Specification discussions X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/13X_.peMGS7V5ikiL6UkXow"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 44eeb515-fbf7-4146-8ac2-2f76b100ff95 X-Archives-Hash: 1c17576764f28e9d7fb6c19dbcc51b8d --Sig_/13X_.peMGS7V5ikiL6UkXow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 1 May 2012 01:02:48 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > > Can you enumerate every possible way the files will be used, both in > > terms of syntax and intended effect?=20 >=20 > In the same way as package.use.mask and package.use.force. >=20 > > Can you provide assurances that it > > can't also be (ab)used to do other things not on your list? >=20 > Which list? The "In the same way as package.use.mask and package.use.force." one. > Of course someone will come up with other creative ideas how to > (ab)use it That's a problem. We need to make sure that that can't happen. > > Can you demonstrate that introducing this in an EAPI won't require > > upping profile EAPIs,=20 >=20 > No. Teach me, please. I don't think it's doable... > > and that users whose package mangler doesn't do > > EAPI 5 won't run into problems with it? >=20 > Well. PMS describes the files in a profile directory. If=20 > * we introduce a new file via PMS that was not in there before,=20 > * and another package manager accesses that file but expects > different information there not corresponding to our new definition,=20 > that package manager should be considered broken because it is not > adhering to previous PMS revisions. So? What happens if a user uses an EAPI 4 ebuild with an EAPI 4 package manager when the ebuild in question would be hit by your new files, which the package manager doesn't know about yet? --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/13X_.peMGS7V5ikiL6UkXow Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+foRQACgkQ96zL6DUtXhG2agCfTfPdlF/8w1CEG4em5bxuPTIK mn0Aniz5yw41zcdXDFjvSmEdrtiVxxGr =N21a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/13X_.peMGS7V5ikiL6UkXow--