From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QVMnI-0001ZH-R1 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:56:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 762961C043; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFB21C043 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so3199902wwj.10 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:55:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=wpbBJaa0A8FnJAlsuNIoxa9Yj3MalhMcxJeMV0jQ8/k=; b=Ds/bWNKa2E0SiC538ph0i3I94ujS2BycbIT4RKT3VBJNylXBHJlDYyhpGzQFjtS9Fj DYkMtzbdTUvTZiHYgb+ZJ+VkUBcXPtfkQEb8RhIvIqmkpDrr8Z2Q+H902Z3cR+LXJAHH tsqomDW2QbMPZQ1nOLYuxastVHRaUNvSmbRrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=KO0JCwMc4bg3CZ0z9lYwWbnDiV/uGc8XNkCMPNmV7Aq72yD3RL/O1rzPvTWgZ7QCde gR/s+k/zE8RUK3ZSN0skbhPaQlyUhMPiKePCpTVtosPcE+mLC928unBWSxShQBajFNjw +VZeHnWd7LYsZJwJYfkjFQ6I8OeJbLEutIRtQ= Received: by 10.216.239.68 with SMTP id b46mr3150090wer.38.1307793350175; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc1-broo4-0-0-cust780.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com [86.4.215.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d7sm1871561wek.21.2011.06.11.04.55.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:53:41 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-pms] Rephrasing *DEPEND Message-ID: <20110611125341.185e19d9@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20110611093245.5d9d266c@pomiocik.lan> References: <20110611093245.5d9d266c@pomiocik.lan> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Package Manager Specification discussions X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/JEj7ObDL9IyfqvzgPU8hr.N"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 16f4d8985ec5121eb9c2e540eebb5d27 --Sig_/JEj7ObDL9IyfqvzgPU8hr.N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:32:45 +0200 Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > After last discussion on #gentoo-portage, I'm submitting a proposal > on rephrasing *DEPEND descriptions in the PMS. The idea is to state > better when and whether these are actually installed. This isn't right. There's no guarantee at all for pkg_pretend, for example. It's also wrong to go by "files installed by the ebuild". Think, for example, a package which installs nothing but that creates a user. I also dislike the "rebooted" phrasing for PDEPEND. "Before the package manager finishes the group of installs" is better. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/JEj7ObDL9IyfqvzgPU8hr.N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk3zV0gACgkQ96zL6DUtXhGkWACePnXgLGZnIh5/YjWGa4rVi8Vj wRQAn0N7ApvxnHDuLAKPYsjSVmssDCYs =+xHk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/JEj7ObDL9IyfqvzgPU8hr.N--