From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NL2zN-0007eY-TU for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:09:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71808E0C2E; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203E7E0C2E for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so1663185ewy.26 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=N0OVWI27erzBdn20EREpYVYZ2lILjBpQ6OvteUHu4SE=; b=pB+RWzhGTqu7F9ArLnvqey/qO95xDMD4M74uZiXsO1HA/t2Y1WhNEferww3dr8uJLF R0uSa0Ufr2DHdypcXb36fO57dv2bPbNIZLwso7hitDToLtbA+/LVVCnOvx7X+/YRxQGA 8vWuOQ/A2K1PsXSLZWRvj94POyhYoe2dJF/4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=fbBKtdzdKqs882oMLgraU2Lrp0Xs/F3fMtzU2Y1UE8ZujMKQzvZgXbhC6FNyFbQWII VAegni9Ukefq38vd/vnwPxrXEY9NuixjLRfU14kK/4ljbgPoQGGsN17UerFz0uQ+YP7v 8y+Bsbeyq6RfYXz6n7qYZWw7X7xKtsgflJzZc= Received: by 10.213.63.14 with SMTP id z14mr7590730ebh.17.1261004938937; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowmobile (cpc1-sgyl18-0-0-cust846.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2320262eyh.32.2009.12.16.15.08.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:08:53 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-pms] kdebuild-1 conditionales Message-ID: <20091216230853.30497140@snowmobile> In-Reply-To: <20091216235050.0ce7137f@gentoo.org> References: <20091210214848.7d070ab2@gentoo.org> <20091210222730.5df0df14@snowmobile> <20091216235050.0ce7137f@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.3 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Package Manager Specification discussions X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/+VFCyBT6i7lseuPgGWyCxxH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: fe1ee644-2085-44de-ba96-3c411b7d5dc5 X-Archives-Hash: 9711db06259547f09e3b35bdc5a29618 --Sig_/+VFCyBT6i7lseuPgGWyCxxH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:50:50 +0100 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > > * Stop committing things that aren't typo fixes without posting them > > to this list for review. >=20 > They are still administrative things reflecting a council decision > and setting the repo to official document generation by default. So? If it's not a typo or trivial formatting fix, you send it out for review. Administrative or not, you got it wrong, and you went ahead and committed it even after I'd told you to wait until things had settled down. Admit that you screwed up, and make sure it doesn't happen again. Stop trying to defend the indefensible. > Disable kdebuild-1 by default: We had the discussion several times and > your only argument now is that there might be consumers of an > never-approved EAPI out there. And, as per procedure, there was not consensus on it so you should not have committed it. > 3 to 4 move: Purely administrative and has been worked on by two > people (ulm and myself). Not purely administrative at all. For starters, you introduced a whole load of todo notes into the main document, which we've deliberately not been doing. Second, I'd already told you not to commit it until the whole "what exactly is in EAPI 3" thing had been sorted out, which still hasn't happened -- Portage and the Council are in disagreement, and past experience strongly suggests that it isn't necessarily the Council that's going to come out on top here... > Anyway, yes, reviewing is necessary, but if essential changes from my > point of view are blocked or stonewalled through that means, I may > choose to take action.eas Your point of view isn't relevant when it's wrong. You're supposed to be working with other people here, not committing first and then tidying up the mess later. > > * Don't mess with kdebuild until you're sure that no-one has any > > kdebuild packages installed. >=20 > Don't be too academic. To be sure is not possible. And please don't > speak about bridge construction and failure possibilites when you > don't know about how an engineering process works. You could have achieved a high degree of confidence with very little difficulty. Instead, this whole mess is spilling over and affecting users, and wasting far too much of a lot of people's time for something that should have been done without any mess or user impact. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/+VFCyBT6i7lseuPgGWyCxxH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkspaIcACgkQ96zL6DUtXhHVbgCfSRCdJ71ozvTCKbFy0soYdQrY puEAn0iDAC4d1Xtk1/v5vyPEGienyWe6 =lRxI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/+VFCyBT6i7lseuPgGWyCxxH--