From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NJA0b-0003K1-QL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72807E094E for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E103EE07C7 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so797732bwz.26 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:03:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=4EhC1ZY0yzdrnZM+4qjuZqv0SZ5MFr2bUKwtotNiIpM=; b=VWTI7wtkE9TVkPwmL1Jd+bMV9PZarzI/M0AdhQGkWMoeOIe+alGV97txi1S7KhMWG9 1wUY7RK896wGnIJhLUM9I9S/Ckwa1cEh+TStT9waih9aGSwZsEn0HqeEUCL+wMOKue42 Dtnr1lCgfIfAiANTN3CZbADc2Omu8lufyhHdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=QsSX5CsnkSKJ3vA+ZbcDFSGSm7YSuczq4JftMWaHGCGDThsR0oeuIe8xSziR+qx3AU InoT9Kdwqs34pmrlVFu+6H564KQS8/oAyv8dKYF0gZyFe4XjrGKBfyhq3Wn6RuHwAHMs VwbZQ5zZCfcmonIdPQu+tpXKSjuPDFK7f/F9Y= Received: by 10.102.17.1 with SMTP id 1mr644023muq.56.1260551004380; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowmobile (cpc1-sgyl18-0-0-cust846.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9sm5422984muf.23.2009.12.11.09.03.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:02:45 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: Ulrich Mueller Cc: Brian Harring , gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-pms] kdebuild-1 conditionales Message-ID: <20091211170245.053f6f16@snowmobile> In-Reply-To: <19234.23228.586356.915011@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <20091210214848.7d070ab2@gentoo.org> <20091210222730.5df0df14@snowmobile> <20091211081754.GA6529@hrair> <20091211135750.1c24a3fd@snowmobile> <19234.23228.586356.915011@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.3 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Package Manager Specification discussions X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/gk+P14ZVC7W8vfnJW_GVzfX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 9103f695-c79b-4f0e-b621-04e4fd70836c X-Archives-Hash: 84f6e3dd586d69d38cab8b8f16acba4a --Sig_/gk+P14ZVC7W8vfnJW_GVzfX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:44:12 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >> I'm not looking to start a fight, and frankly after a year or so > >> I've learned to just subconsciously/automatically ignore kdebuild, > >> but why exactly must this be in pms? >=20 > > Because we have not yet established that no users have kdebuild > > things installed. >=20 > This is not a fact that could ever be verified, therefore your > argument is nonsensical. Yes it is. All you have to do is send an email to a mailing list that gets read by everyone who could be using kdebuild-1, and give them a reasonable time to reply. Alternatively, you could target a news item at those users, informing them of the removal. Either is entirely doable and a totally reasonable measure to take. > > Thus, package managers that support it have to go on supporting it. > > Once kdebuild can be safely removed from package managers that have > > supported it, it can then be removed from PMS. >=20 > Last mention of kdebuild was removed from the KDE overlay at > 2008-09-23, which was more than one year ago. Generally we don't > support upgrades of outdated systems for more than one year. The genkdesvn overlay was around for considerably longer than that. Also, we're talking *installed* packages here, not installable ones. Users have installed packages going back a very very long time. > But it's irrelevant anyway, since it was never an approved EAPI. > Therefore, we can remove it any time. >=20 > And as was already pointed out several times, there was a council > decision about the issue in the 2008-04-10 meeting: >=20 > | The council voted that kdebuild-1 and other unapproved EAPIs could=20 > | not be in an approved PMS document. The spec isn't a place for=20 > | proposals or things that will never be submitted for approval by > the | council. It's a specification, a reference of what is allowed > in the | main tree. And there is a way of getting PMS built without kdebuild-1, for approval. In the mean time, PMS is there to be useful to package manager developers, and so kdebuild-1 needs to remain so long as package managers support it. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/gk+P14ZVC7W8vfnJW_GVzfX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksiezgACgkQ96zL6DUtXhGOoQCgsPo3j7IxEWw76SziEAYknuu2 IYIAni7+7amlfR4P+BFtAQRgfX8gyWd3 =yD7J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/gk+P14ZVC7W8vfnJW_GVzfX--