Re: [gentoo-pms] kdebuild-1 conditionales

[Maciej Mrozowski <reavertm@gmail.com>]

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On Friday 11 of December 2009 09:17:54 Brian Harring wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:27:30PM +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > * Don't mess with kdebuild until you're sure that no-one has any
> >   kdebuild packages installed.
> 
> I'm not looking to start a fight, and frankly after a year or so I've
> learned to just subconsciously/automatically ignore kdebuild, but why
> exactly must this be in pms?
> 
> It's experimental w/ low user acceptance, and was fundamentally
> outside the gentoo mainstream.  If long term maintenance of it is
> desired for anyone who hasn't yet punted those ebuilds from their
> vdb, maintain it in a branch rather then the effective head (don't
> make the mainline suffer maintenance for something that was outside
> mainline).
> 
> My two cents mind you- at this point, flipping through the source, the
> kdebuild bits disrupt the flow from my view (and more importantly the
> resultant read of it due to folks trying to structure the text to be
> agnostic to non-kdebuild), more importantly doing so w/ minimal gain
> for the mainstream.
> 
> Either way, take it as a +1 for punting it from mainstream and making
> the kdebuild specific folk maintain their own branch rather then
> general eapi (gentoo specific) having to maintain it.  Branching of
> this sort is presumably one of the reasons pms uses a dvcs after all.
> 
> And to head off one angle of argument, I fully expect if I ever get
> ambitious enough to derive an eapi extension that I'll have to
> maintain it outside of pms mainline- being nonstandard, I'd expect
> nothing less (hence the +1 for punting kdebuild).
> 
> My two cents either way, and well aware it's probably not something
> everyone wants to hear.
> 
> Not a hard +1 since I've zero interest in a fight also, but a +1
> either way.
> 
> Sorry, but tis my views.
> ~harring

PMS document is meant to provide information that can be relied upon. 
kdebuild-1 was used only during short period of time two years ago and only 
supported by one package manager. Gentoo KDE team has already expressed no 
interest in kdebuild-1 long time ago as well[1].
That being said kdebuild-1 can no longer be relied upon as a effective 
specification - it does not have implementation in official package manager 
and no new kdebuild-1 is going to be created ever by any Gentoo project - it's 
effectively dead besides all known .
Also, what's the most important - any official packages in kdebuild-1 format 
has already been replaced (with no loss of functionality, we're talking about 
KDE 4 ebuilds here) by official packages in EAPI-2 format - format supported 
by three most popular package managers and users as advised to migrate (if 
they haven't already) to those packages.
Otherwise they're unsupported anyway - and PMS needs to document things that 
are supported and can be relied upon.

There's anything more to add - kdebuild-1 PMS specification should be 
maintained by those interested in separate git branch, and completely removed 
from PMS trunk as it only serves as LaTeX code obfuscator.

http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg33146.html

On behalf of Gentoo KDE

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regards
MM

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