[gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Spoiala Cristian]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:03:28 +0000, Roman Gaufman <hackeron@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
> section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
> Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
> 

I think this is a good idea, but the settings of make.conf to be
obligatory and some tips how to tweak the sistem.

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[M. Steffan Noé]

Am Samstag, 9. Oktober 2004 20:03 schrieb Roman Gaufman:
> I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
> section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
> Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?

This is a very good idea. It is a good place to post some of the very 
performance raising things like nptl and other things like that.

I found some hints about it in the forum a few days ago. It was more something 
like random that i found it. I searced for something else.

When there is a place for enhancing performance finding something like that 
would be much easier, i think. So I am looking forward to see that new 
section in the Gentoo - forum.

Steffan Noé

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

yes, here is a short list of things that can go there -- off the top of my head:

1) CFLAGS
2) LDFLAGS
3) Acovea
4) FS benchmarks
5) Raid benchmarks
6) Random performance patches like modifying /etc/init.d
7) Random sysctrl settings
8) Hdparm settings
9) Random hard drive benchmarks
10) Any other tips like nfs configuration.

So in my opinion it will be quite useful.



On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:36:10 +0200, M. Steffan Noé <ms.noe@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am Samstag, 9. Oktober 2004 20:03 schrieb Roman Gaufman:
> 
> 
> > I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
> > section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
> > Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
> 
> This is a very good idea. It is a good place to post some of the very
> performance raising things like nptl and other things like that.
> 
> I found some hints about it in the forum a few days ago. It was more something
> like random that i found it. I searced for something else.
> 
> When there is a place for enhancing performance finding something like that
> would be much easier, i think. So I am looking forward to see that new
> section in the Gentoo - forum.
> 
> Steffan Noé
> 
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Antoine Raillon]

On Lun 11 octobre 2004 11:49, Roman Gaufman a écrit :

> 1) CFLAGS
> 2) LDFLAGS
> 3) Acovea
> 4) FS benchmarks
> 5) Raid benchmarks
> 6) Random performance patches like modifying /etc/init.d
> 7) Random sysctrl settings
> 8) Hdparm settings
> 9) Random hard drive benchmarks
> 10) Any other tips like nfs configuration.

/me thinks about "dangerous" kernel tweaks too ;)

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Tarax]

Le lundi 11 Octobre 2004 12:06, Antoine Raillon a écrit :
> On Lun 11 octobre 2004 11:49, Roman Gaufman a écrit :
> > 1) CFLAGS
> > 2) LDFLAGS
> > 3) Acovea
> > 4) FS benchmarks
> > 5) Raid benchmarks
> > 6) Random performance patches like modifying /etc/init.d
> > 7) Random sysctrl settings
> > 8) Hdparm settings
> > 9) Random hard drive benchmarks
> > 10) Any other tips like nfs configuration.
>
> /me thinks about "dangerous" kernel tweaks too ;)
What about a wiki style thing (with comments)... would be R.E.A.L.L.Y great 
aside of gentoo server one 
( http://www.subverted.net/wakka/wakka.php?wakka=MainPage )

Jé

PS: just my 2cts, my poor brain hardly handles forums, information fastly get 
toooo messy IMHO :((

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

forums are what most people get used to, I think one doesnt hurt the
other though. I'm sure if the forum gets quite busy with suggestions
piling up, a clean, commulative version of threads will be put on
gentoo-wiki.com -- just like its currently done for the tips/tricks
forum, and thats the point ;)

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:48:00 +0200, Tarax <tarax@arkitekts.org> wrote:
> Le lundi 11 Octobre 2004 12:06, Antoine Raillon a écrit :
> > On Lun 11 octobre 2004 11:49, Roman Gaufman a écrit :
> > > 1) CFLAGS
> > > 2) LDFLAGS
> > > 3) Acovea
> > > 4) FS benchmarks
> > > 5) Raid benchmarks
> > > 6) Random performance patches like modifying /etc/init.d
> > > 7) Random sysctrl settings
> > > 8) Hdparm settings
> > > 9) Random hard drive benchmarks
> > > 10) Any other tips like nfs configuration.
> >
> > /me thinks about "dangerous" kernel tweaks too ;)
> What about a wiki style thing (with comments)... would be R.E.A.L.L.Y great
> aside of gentoo server one
> ( http://www.subverted.net/wakka/wakka.php?wakka=MainPage )
> 
> Jé
> 
> PS: just my 2cts, my poor brain hardly handles forums, information fastly get
> toooo messy IMHO :((
> 
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Joel Merrick]

Rather than a forum, wouldn't it be better to implement an acutal 
performance DB?

b.t.w... it might have been knocked off the thread, but where's the 
entry for actual hardware specifics? Arch, CPU, RAM etc..



Roman Gaufman wrote:

>forums are what most people get used to, I think one doesnt hurt the
>other though. I'm sure if the forum gets quite busy with suggestions
>piling up, a clean, commulative version of threads will be put on
>gentoo-wiki.com -- just like its currently done for the tips/tricks
>forum, and thats the point ;)
>
>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:48:00 +0200, Tarax <tarax@arkitekts.org> wrote:
>  
>
>>Le lundi 11 Octobre 2004 12:06, Antoine Raillon a écrit :
>>    
>>
>>>On Lun 11 octobre 2004 11:49, Roman Gaufman a écrit :
>>>      
>>>
>>>>1) CFLAGS
>>>>2) LDFLAGS
>>>>3) Acovea
>>>>4) FS benchmarks
>>>>5) Raid benchmarks
>>>>6) Random performance patches like modifying /etc/init.d
>>>>7) Random sysctrl settings
>>>>8) Hdparm settings
>>>>9) Random hard drive benchmarks
>>>>10) Any other tips like nfs configuration.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>/me thinks about "dangerous" kernel tweaks too ;)
>>>      
>>>
>>What about a wiki style thing (with comments)... would be R.E.A.L.L.Y great
>>aside of gentoo server one
>>( http://www.subverted.net/wakka/wakka.php?wakka=MainPage )
>>
>>Jé
>>
>>PS: just my 2cts, my poor brain hardly handles forums, information fastly get
>>toooo messy IMHO :((
>>
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:35:45 +0100, Joel Merrick <joel@joelmerrick.com> wrote:
> Rather than a forum, wouldn't it be better to implement an acutal
> performance DB?
> 
What?

> b.t.w... it might have been knocked off the thread, but where's the
> entry for actual hardware specifics? Arch, CPU, RAM etc..

Hardware specific issues go to kernel/hardware, hardware specific
*performance* issues would go to the performance forum. Where's the
mistery?

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Thomas Lasswell]

This sounds like a great idea, there's always things people contribute
performance wise, and there's a ton of information on tweaks that
people like to implement, although there's no real place to post them.

As Joel said, a performance database would be good also, there is
already a project I believe for compile times, a good performance
database would be a good idea, however there would have to be made a
benchmarking tool, and other things that would have to be standardized
for that to work.

A forum would be an easy solution for performance modifications and
tweaks, and would be a great addition.

--Tom


On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:43:17 +0000, Roman Gaufman <hackeron@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:35:45 +0100, Joel Merrick <joel@joelmerrick.com> wrote:
> > Rather than a forum, wouldn't it be better to implement an acutal
> > performance DB?
> > 
> What?
> 
> > b.t.w... it might have been knocked off the thread, but where's the
> > entry for actual hardware specifics? Arch, CPU, RAM etc..
> 
> Hardware specific issues go to kernel/hardware, hardware specific
> *performance* issues would go to the performance forum. Where's the
> mistery?
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Joel Merrick]

Roman Gaufman wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:35:45 +0100, Joel Merrick <joel@joelmerrick.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Rather than a forum, wouldn't it be better to implement an acutal
>>performance DB?
>>
>>    
>>
>What?
>  
>

A 'proper' database that contains your hardware, architecture, 
optimization flags, hdparm, kernel & tuning, phase of the moon, mother's 
horroscope ;)

You know what I mean! Not just a mish-mash of forum posts. ;)

>  
>
>>b.t.w... it might have been knocked off the thread, but where's the
>>entry for actual hardware specifics? Arch, CPU, RAM etc..
>>    
>>
>
>Hardware specific issues go to kernel/hardware, hardware specific
>*performance* issues would go to the performance forum. Where's the
>mistery?
>
>  
>

Sorry, I never took these to be 'issues', only an aid to assessing your 
systems performance against others... where IS the mistery? I can't find it?

Re-read the original post..

1) CFLAGS
2) LDFLAGS
3) Acovea
4) FS benchmarks
5) Raid benchmarks
6) Random performance patches like modifying /etc/init.d
7) Random sysctrl settings
8) Hdparm settings
9) Random hard drive benchmarks
10) Any other tips like nfs configuration.


Err... where's the hardware?

It *might* be important to know.. appologies if this was noted in a prior mail to this, but that's why I asked the question.



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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:02:50 +0100, Joel Merrick <joel@joelmerrick.com>  >

> A 'proper' database that contains your hardware, architecture,
> optimization flags, hdparm, kernel & tuning, phase of the moon, mother's
> horroscope ;)
> 
> You know what I mean! Not just a mish-mash of forum posts. ;)
> 

Ah, now I do :) -- yes, its a great idea, but that will take quite a
bit of effort to implement. Adding a forum is literally 2 mouse
clicks. One doesnt hurt the other either.

> Err... where's the hardware?
> 
CFLAGS, Acovea, Raid benchmarks, sysctrl, hdparm, random hard drive
benchmarks -- those are all hardware related! -- The results are
different for  whatever hardware configuration/type.

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Lance Albertson]

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Roman Gaufman wrote:

> I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
> section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
> Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?

I just chatted with one of the forums admins and he said that we won't be adding
any new forums until phpBB 2.2 is released. Thats mainly because managing with
the current version is a major PITA from what I hear. *BUT* That doesn't mean
that you'll see this forum created. The forums are currently structured more in
a "task/purpose than by goal" way. So, having a goal of performance wouldn't
really fit the structure we have right now.

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

Games & Players is a task/purpose? --- to me its a topic, just like
performance is, or atleast is as much of a task/purpose as anything
is. I dont see how consistency is any reason not to add this forum,
thats quite an absurd reason to say the least.

If its too much of a problem, sure, then wait for the newer phpBB, if
there is any reason not to add the forum after that, like most
developers think its a bad idea, maybe run a poll in that case. It
doesnt hurt anyone, and there would certainly be a use for it.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:47:16 -0500, Lance Albertson <ramereth@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Roman Gaufman wrote:
> 
> > I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
> > section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
> > Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
> 
> I just chatted with one of the forums admins and he said that we won't be adding
> any new forums until phpBB 2.2 is released. Thats mainly because managing with
> the current version is a major PITA from what I hear. *BUT* That doesn't mean
> that you'll see this forum created. The forums are currently structured more in
> a "task/purpose than by goal" way. So, having a goal of performance wouldn't
> really fit the structure we have right now.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Joel Merrick]

Lance Albertson wrote:

>Roman Gaufman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
>>section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
>>Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
>>    
>>
>
>I just chatted with one of the forums admins and he said that we won't be adding
>any new forums until phpBB 2.2 is released. Thats mainly because managing with
>the current version is a major PITA from what I hear. *BUT* That doesn't mean
>that you'll see this forum created. The forums are currently structured more in
>a "task/purpose than by goal" way. So, having a goal of performance wouldn't
>really fit the structure we have right now.
>
>  
>
Just to let you peeps now, I've been thinking about this last night and 
I'd love it if there was just a (simple) form where people could enter 
their system credentials and benchmark results.

I'm going to do a little bit of investigation tonight in terms of 
looking at standardised benchmarks.. I believe, from a bit of searching, 
that the whole arena of benchmarking is a big mamma!

Wish me luck! If I get anything that looks like a go-er, I'll fire a 
(probably crap) PHP page together, where people can input their system 
specifics... and list them in a grid-matrix kinda view (it'd be a bit 
easier to read than just forum posts i.m.h.o. and may provide a decent 
intermediate until someone works out a MUCH clever system, lol)

Does anyone know if there's anything like this for other distros 
(although due to Gentoo's lurvely package build system, I doubt we'd be 
able to draw true comparisons)

Sorry if i'm rambling.... heh.

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RE: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Daniel Armyr]

Which parameters do you intend on including?
Only hardware or kernel-configs as well? Compiler flags?
Hardware settings?

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Sent: den 12 oktober 2004 12:39
To: gentoo-performance@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?


Lance Albertson wrote:

>Roman Gaufman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum 
>>section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other 
>>Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
>>    
>>
>
>I just chatted with one of the forums admins and he said that we won't 
>be adding any new forums until phpBB 2.2 is released. Thats mainly 
>because managing with the current version is a major PITA from what I 
>hear. *BUT* That doesn't mean that you'll see this forum created. The 
>forums are currently structured more in a "task/purpose than by goal" 
>way. So, having a goal of performance wouldn't really fit the structure

>we have right now.
>
>  
>
Just to let you peeps now, I've been thinking about this last night and 
I'd love it if there was just a (simple) form where people could enter 
their system credentials and benchmark results.

I'm going to do a little bit of investigation tonight in terms of 
looking at standardised benchmarks.. I believe, from a bit of searching,

that the whole arena of benchmarking is a big mamma!

Wish me luck! If I get anything that looks like a go-er, I'll fire a 
(probably crap) PHP page together, where people can input their system 
specifics... and list them in a grid-matrix kinda view (it'd be a bit 
easier to read than just forum posts i.m.h.o. and may provide a decent 
intermediate until someone works out a MUCH clever system, lol)

Does anyone know if there's anything like this for other distros 
(although due to Gentoo's lurvely package build system, I doubt we'd be 
able to draw true comparisons)

Sorry if i'm rambling.... heh.

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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Joel Merrick]

Daniel Armyr wrote:

>Which parameters do you intend on including?
>Only hardware or kernel-configs as well? Compiler flags?
>Hardware settings?
>  
>

All to be honest, include as many fields as possible, but not make them 
compulsary

Please help me elaborate if possible

Here's the current list..

_Hardware Specifics_

Architecture
CPU
Motherboard
Bus Speed
Clock Speed
RAM Type
RAM Amount
RAM Speed
Video Card Type
Video Card RAM Amount
Video Card RAM Speed

_Build and Environment Specifics_

CFLAGS
LDFLAGS
etc

_Kernel Specifics_

Kernel Type & Version (from Vanilla)
Kernel Patchsets (gentoo, ck, love, nitro etc..)
Build date
Other Parameters
PLUS MAYBE AN OPTION TO UPLOAD YOUR .config??!!
etc

_Sys Specifics_

sysctl tuning
Other tuning

_X Specifics_

Xfree/Xorg version
USE flags used to compile?

_HD Specifics_

hdparm settings
RAID?
What RAID Level?

_BENCHMARKS!!_

It may be best to define what the delegated system task is.. I mean, 
it's no point running Xfbench for a non-X server, of course!

Plus games would prefer graphics and systems benchmarkis, rather than a 
DB benchmark..

There's a lot of software out there, that benchmark a lot of programs 
and a lot of subsystems!


Plus maybe percieved performace increases, like prelinking, editing 
boot-up scripts etc..



I'm sure there's a lot of points of contention there, plus a hell of a 
lot I've missed out...

Feel free to rip apart at will.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joel Merrick [mailto:joel@joelmerrick.com] 
>Sent: den 12 oktober 2004 12:39
>To: gentoo-performance@lists.gentoo.org
>Subject: Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?
>
>
>Lance Albertson wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Roman Gaufman wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum 
>>>section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other 
>>>Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I just chatted with one of the forums admins and he said that we won't 
>>be adding any new forums until phpBB 2.2 is released. Thats mainly 
>>because managing with the current version is a major PITA from what I 
>>hear. *BUT* That doesn't mean that you'll see this forum created. The 
>>forums are currently structured more in a "task/purpose than by goal" 
>>way. So, having a goal of performance wouldn't really fit the structure
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>we have right now.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>Just to let you peeps now, I've been thinking about this last night and 
>I'd love it if there was just a (simple) form where people could enter 
>their system credentials and benchmark results.
>
>I'm going to do a little bit of investigation tonight in terms of 
>looking at standardised benchmarks.. I believe, from a bit of searching,
>
>that the whole arena of benchmarking is a big mamma!
>
>Wish me luck! If I get anything that looks like a go-er, I'll fire a 
>(probably crap) PHP page together, where people can input their system 
>specifics... and list them in a grid-matrix kinda view (it'd be a bit 
>easier to read than just forum posts i.m.h.o. and may provide a decent 
>intermediate until someone works out a MUCH clever system, lol)
>
>Does anyone know if there's anything like this for other distros 
>(although due to Gentoo's lurvely package build system, I doubt we'd be 
>able to draw true comparisons)
>
>Sorry if i'm rambling.... heh.
>
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Roman Gaufman]

There is certainly potential here, but let me list why your method
will be flawed:

1) Non single user mode means you cant predict what deamon is doing
what at what time.
2) CFLAGS in make.conf are usually changed by users often. You need to
test against the age of /var/log/emerge.log and test against the
ebuild. Many ebuilds filter out several CFLAGS.
3) There's too many entries to fill in, prone to user error, false
assumptions and ofcourse the people that will just fill in junk for
the sake of it.

I think a much better solution is to make a script that will auto
reboot into single user mode, perform all tests, reboot into mult user
mode and upload results.

I could help write some of those tests and benchmarks.

I've worked on something similar earlier this year, but its really
quite a major, complicated task thats a lot harder to achieve than
just making a simple php page where people fill in values.

Thats why I suggested a performance forum, so things can be discussed
and polished before a good quality, comprehensive database can be
made.


On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:45:27 +0100, Joel Merrick <joel@joelmerrick.com> wrote:
> Daniel Armyr wrote:
> 
> >Which parameters do you intend on including?
> >Only hardware or kernel-configs as well? Compiler flags?
> >Hardware settings?
> >
> >
> 
> All to be honest, include as many fields as possible, but not make them
> compulsary
> 
> Please help me elaborate if possible
> 
> Here's the current list..
> 
> _Hardware Specifics_
> 
> Architecture
> CPU
> Motherboard
> Bus Speed
> Clock Speed
> RAM Type
> RAM Amount
> RAM Speed
> Video Card Type
> Video Card RAM Amount
> Video Card RAM Speed
> 
> _Build and Environment Specifics_
> 
> CFLAGS
> LDFLAGS
> etc
> 
> _Kernel Specifics_
> 
> Kernel Type & Version (from Vanilla)
> Kernel Patchsets (gentoo, ck, love, nitro etc..)
> Build date
> Other Parameters
> PLUS MAYBE AN OPTION TO UPLOAD YOUR .config??!!
> etc
> 
> _Sys Specifics_
> 
> sysctl tuning
> Other tuning
> 
> _X Specifics_
> 
> Xfree/Xorg version
> USE flags used to compile?
> 
> _HD Specifics_
> 
> hdparm settings
> RAID?
> What RAID Level?
> 
> _BENCHMARKS!!_
> 
> It may be best to define what the delegated system task is.. I mean,
> it's no point running Xfbench for a non-X server, of course!
> 
> Plus games would prefer graphics and systems benchmarkis, rather than a
> DB benchmark..
> 
> There's a lot of software out there, that benchmark a lot of programs
> and a lot of subsystems!
> 
> Plus maybe percieved performace increases, like prelinking, editing
> boot-up scripts etc..
> 
> I'm sure there's a lot of points of contention there, plus a hell of a
> lot I've missed out...
> 
> Feel free to rip apart at will.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joel Merrick [mailto:joel@joelmerrick.com]
> >Sent: den 12 oktober 2004 12:39
> >To: gentoo-performance@lists.gentoo.org
> >Subject: Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?
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> >Lance Albertson wrote:
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> >>Roman Gaufman wrote:
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I think it would be a good idea to have a gentoo-performance forum
> >>>section, so performance related threads wont have to go to "Other
> >>>Things Gentoo". Your thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I just chatted with one of the forums admins and he said that we won't
> >>be adding any new forums until phpBB 2.2 is released. Thats mainly
> >>because managing with the current version is a major PITA from what I
> >>hear. *BUT* That doesn't mean that you'll see this forum created. The
> >>forums are currently structured more in a "task/purpose than by goal"
> >>way. So, having a goal of performance wouldn't really fit the structure
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>we have right now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Just to let you peeps now, I've been thinking about this last night and
> >I'd love it if there was just a (simple) form where people could enter
> >their system credentials and benchmark results.
> >
> >I'm going to do a little bit of investigation tonight in terms of
> >looking at standardised benchmarks.. I believe, from a bit of searching,
> >
> >that the whole arena of benchmarking is a big mamma!
> >
> >Wish me luck! If I get anything that looks like a go-er, I'll fire a
> >(probably crap) PHP page together, where people can input their system
> >specifics... and list them in a grid-matrix kinda view (it'd be a bit
> >easier to read than just forum posts i.m.h.o. and may provide a decent
> >intermediate until someone works out a MUCH clever system, lol)
> >
> >Does anyone know if there's anything like this for other distros
> >(although due to Gentoo's lurvely package build system, I doubt we'd be
> >able to draw true comparisons)
> >
> >Sorry if i'm rambling.... heh.
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Re: [gentoo-performance] Gentoo-performance forum?

[Joel Merrick]

Roman Gaufman wrote:

>There is certainly potential here, but let me list why your method
>will be flawed:
>
>1) Non single user mode means you cant predict what deamon is doing
>what at what time.
>  
>

Damn, I knew there was something I missed ;)

>2) CFLAGS in make.conf are usually changed by users often. You need to
>test against the age of /var/log/emerge.log and test against the
>ebuild. Many ebuilds filter out several CFLAGS.
>  
>

Sure, I understand.. hopefully they would be the same across the board, 
so that would induce a kind of consistent baseline, however I'm sure 
they differ across ebuilds of the same software

>3) There's too many entries to fill in, prone to user error, false
>assumptions and ofcourse the people that will just fill in junk for
>the sake of it.
>  
>
Yea, good point again.. it's not supposed to be a be-all-and-end-all, 
just more of a (very limited) point of reference.. all the same notes 
above apply to the forums I suppose.. just depends what people take at 
face value

>I think a much better solution is to make a script that will auto
>reboot into single user mode, perform all tests, reboot into mult user
>mode and upload results.
>  
>
I agree!

>I could help write some of those tests and benchmarks.
>  
>
Cool! It'd be great to have standardisation... everyone singing from the 
same benchmark script ;)

Save them to XML and fire them up to a db for everyone to assess.

>I've worked on something similar earlier this year, but its really
>quite a major, complicated task thats a lot harder to achieve than
>just making a simple php page where people fill in values.
>
>Thats why I suggested a performance forum, so things can be discussed
>and polished before a good quality, comprehensive database can be
>made.
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>
Yea, don't get me wrong I agree wholey with you, was just thinking about 
interim solutions as I'm sure to setup the scripts et al. would be a 
big, time consuming job!

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>On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:45:27 +0100, Joel Merrick <joel@joelmerrick.com> wrote:
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>
SNIP 8<

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