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Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] The road ahead?
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> >
> > Well, if this is "round two" (which seems kind of weird since it's
> > backported from v2.1 to 2.0...).
>
> Well. the 2.1 branch has been officially killed, which is the version
> Haubi did his original work on, so Brian back ported it just so we
> could start testing out the ebuilds in an overlay and have a working
> prototype.
Well, I'm interested in testing the 2.0 version if possible. 3.0
timeframe is start of next year?
>
> > I'm interested in tracking the
> > "official" version as closely as possible. Maybe I should test this
> > version out on FC4. What will "round three", etc, look like (are
> > there missing features, is it just testing, getting ebuilds converted,
> > evangelism)?
> >
> > Kito- Could you please elaborate on the bootstrap process?
>
> Well, I started by building a toolchain manually in the prefix
> (gcc,cctools[apples linker/assembler], coreutils, make, python, bash
> and some others I'm forgetting), then configured and installed
> portage. Once portage was up and running I just started importing the
> base-system ebuilds to the overlay and merging as I went along. On a
> FC4 system, you could probably just use some symlinks instead of
> manually building a toolchain for bootstrap.
>
Yeah on linux you could get by pretty easily. But if you want to
allow end users to add new archs (could be distro, or posix operating
system) wouldn't it be easier to have something like haubi's
bootstrapper?
> I've finished the base-system ebuilds for a Darwin/OS X prefix, but
> for linux you will still need a few extra that I haven't done yet,
> like binutils, libtool, and gcc[1]. I'm going back and doing some
> cleanup and additional testing, should have it checked into svn later
> this week. Definitely want to get this working on as many archs as
> possible, so any help is welcome.
>
> > Perhaps
> > we could put it in the wiki?
>
> I was going to create a project page in xml under the gentoo-alt
> page, but a wiki might be a better idea, especially if a few other
> non-gentoo devs want to start helping out with the linux/aix/solaris
> stuff.
>
Making the information public is better than no information. It seems
like it is better suited to be in the wiki right now, since end users
(non-gento devs) could add/edit/fix things in it.
> > Regarding changes to ebuilds, yes I
> > agree small (or no) changes is preferred.
>
> Yeah, by far the biggest change needed right now is `make DESTDIR=$
> {DEST} install`. I've made functions to address the ebuilds that
> don't use econf, so the changes are very very slight, and with some
> more work could probably even be lessened further.
>
So DEST is PREFIX now?
> > I went ahead and installed
> > apache2 in my prefixed environment and it was relatively
> > straightforward.
>
> Yeah, I'm having great luck so far, running gtk+, jack, and ardour
> out of the prefix with no problems and very minor ebuild changes.
>
That is awesome.
> >
> > Brian- Do you have any idea of the roadmap for prefix getting into
> > portage? Would it possibly get into 2.0? 2.1? Rewrite? What will
> > determine this?
>
> I'll let Brian answer this, but I'm fairly certain there is no chance
> of this making it into the 2.0 series, 2.1 is dead, so 3.0 will have
> to be our saviour (boooo! hsssss! bad pun)
Looking forward to 3.0 then....
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