From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1ElsJD-0002x3-1x for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:21:59 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBCILYHU023068; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:21:34 GMT Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBCILXWH012979 for <gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:21:33 GMT Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so1057380wxc for <gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:21:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sVgnTEao7DY7znzj0+xHg9w5T4Nq5Dppe9RgC3FRgoajcqyu/ud7kVsiwt79yua3VBuMlUUPSDyOsTB7hHGR9Nmq2adpVV6yfZRZVlyqB00Y+XtDmFbcShUCHC6/7gcTT2+9eIns06xEI6T/MsvYTodmEoRUEF/jjZ6naolpL5E= Received: by 10.70.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr9784248wxb; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.28.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:21:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96c9d6a80512121021y571970bakeecc3247e7901cf0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:21:32 -0700 From: Nathan <nathan.stocks@gmail.com> To: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] New document: Project targets In-Reply-To: <20051212180017.GJ14948@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-osx+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-osx+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-osx+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-osx.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-osx@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051212090128.GB22327@gentoo.org> <96c9d6a80512120836p64cdd877h9700f3cf48c78daf@mail.gmail.com> <20051212180017.GJ14948@gentoo.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jBCILXWH012979 X-Archives-Salt: 0fdf3a07-585c-4f12-a7ec-c28078670fec X-Archives-Hash: dec5e4e43fae0996c8f3cc52647b478a > We are *not* prefixed. This a page on what we would *like* to be, > somehow. Ok, I get it now. Thanks for clarifying that. > > mentioned. I'd welcome a tentative future timeline at the bottom of > > the doc, if possible. The common question outside of the core dev > > team seems to be "When will there be something that works that I can > > use [and/or contribute to]?" > > This is actually a question, which's answer is much larger than just me > or the team members. It requires the whole community to agree on a > rather large change into their core product: Portage. You can consider > this as a road towards a huge GLEP. Pieces that I write might be > reusable, in such document, to make it a full story, including some > experimental, but mature results. It's not only our work, far from. > Without the help of some Portage guys, we'd never got here I think. > > Since we're all busy, and progress usually comes with little bumps, I'm > hestitant to give any predictions on time frames. I don't oversee the > whole picture yet, so I don't want to give any release dates. I should have explicitly stated that I wasn't looking for dates per-se. More like a list of "here is the milestones that have to happen." For example (realizing that this is completely fictional as I'm just on onlooker [but maybe sort of real-sounding], just to illustrate): 1) Portage guys have to finalize a prefix-aware portage in ~ (latest indications point to this happening by quarter X year Y) 2) Portage tree must be updated for prefix 3) Concurrent to #2 our devs will release an installer that uses an overlay tree (ambitious users can jump in here) 4) Big showstoppers that have issues are addressed 5) Portage guys stabilize the prefix-aware portage, tree is all updated 6) Beta installer created and released using the real portage tree (beta-friendly users can jump in here) (This step will not reached until issue ABC is also addressed or the century XYZ is reached, whichever is later) etc. etc. If you have something like that, a lot of questions can be answered by "we can do that as soon as we reach step X." > Thanks for your time to read it and comment upon. No problem. I can't wait until the project reaches a point where _I_ can actually contribute in a real way. I did notice one typo: "...at the moment clumpsy" --> "...at the moment clumsy" ~ Nathan -- gentoo-osx@gentoo.org mailing list