From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Elqft-0004TJ-CT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:37:17 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBCGasMn028164; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:36:54 GMT Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBCGaqvE022492 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:36:53 GMT Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so1036600wxd for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:36:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b6l0nBU8Y3FcgVqZVQIvp2cAI1DZd+hQ8BGPVeXETP3Uomlvg249/eZq2LKFWQGhVb28VdiAa/nTxgOUxPSsxZRFgIeiNgWShI3Ejp5hFyK+VyVA17rWQWlNSmGPP5QSFb5lopOc2HCg1rhRjL5ocCUqw8LfVUDdHIT6pfGzknY= Received: by 10.70.116.18 with SMTP id o18mr9811065wxc; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.28.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:36:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96c9d6a80512120836p64cdd877h9700f3cf48c78daf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:36:52 -0700 From: Nathan To: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] New document: Project targets In-Reply-To: <20051212090128.GB22327@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-osx@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051212090128.GB22327@gentoo.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id jBCGaqvE022492 X-Archives-Salt: 25c3d432-793c-45dc-9881-ab49a57d7b36 X-Archives-Hash: 395652e28981be9a24a98407224af95c > As you will all know after the last GWN, we are a prefixed project. I > tried to tell the GWN folks that we aren't, but apparently they didn't > believe me. Who am I, heh? For sure, I can't know. If there are more > things that more or less require some discretion, due to mail volumes, > extreme beta-bility, etc., please don't hesitate to catch me in > non-recordable places such as IRC or personal email. I prefer the > latter. Perhaps it is also a good idea to keep CVS/SVN commit messages > a bit vague from now on.[1] > > Anywayz, I wrote a new page yesterday: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/macos/targets.xml Sooo, after reading your new page I don't understand your comment about not being a prefixed project, unless you are talking about your defined distinction between "Gentoo for Mac OS X" and "Gentoo Portage for Mac OS X." "Because "Darwin Portage" is not suitable for a mainstream user distribution, it was chosen to change the direction towards "Gentoo Portage for Mac OS X" [PREFIXED PROJECT], to enable Gentoo's Mac OS X project to continue and innovate again. ... but large investments are not being done, unless they are directly reusable in the prefixed environment." ^-- Whatever you call it, it appears you've officially chosen to focus on the prefixed path. Good news to me, as a working prefixed system is what I've been waiting for for over a year now. (Last December pvdabeel was saying he working on a prototype that should be usable in January....then February, then maybe March, then he disappeared.) I appreciate the labels+definitions for the alternatives. That makes it loads easier to refer to things and have some reasonable hope that others will understand what you're referring to. > The page should fill a gap in the explanation of our road ahead, and my > vision on the plcament of various things. Comments are welcome, both > text-wise as content-wise. The document efforts might be re-used at a > later stage on Gentoo/Alt level. I chose to put it in our garden, > because the focus of development comes from our team at the moment. Actually, the page quite admirably explained the past, the alternatives, and why the present focus is (rightly) turning towards prefixed efforts. The future ("road ahead") wasn't really explicitly mentioned. I'd welcome a tentative future timeline at the bottom of the doc, if possible. The common question outside of the core dev team seems to be "When will there be something that works that I can use [and/or contribute to]?" ~ Nathan -- gentoo-osx@gentoo.org mailing list