From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECuLf-0008Mj-5N for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:27:59 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j877NrAV005540; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:23:53 GMT Received: from hermes.orakel.ods.org (dsl67-66.fastxdsl.nl [62.251.66.67]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j877NqsZ022295 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:23:52 GMT Received: from hermes.orakel.ods.org ([172.17.2.4] helo=webmail.orakel.ods.org) by hermes.orakel.ods.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ECuL0-0006iY-Iq for gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:27:20 +0200 Received: from 192.16.196.142 by webmail.orakel.ods.org with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:27:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <55629.192.16.196.142.1126078038.squirrel@webmail.orakel.ods.org> In-Reply-To: References: <87387351-FB42-4D57-8602-8FFC0794DE40@gentoo.org> <431AD2FE.3020706@gentoo.org> <2436D2AF-C880-4636-9E3B-F1761795A929@gentoo.org> <431BE578.8040109@gentoo.org> <96c9d6a805090610352050ecc6@mail.gmail.com> <431DEA52.40105@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:27:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] Arch Testing Policy and Procedures From: "Grobian" To: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-osx@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Content-Scanned: by hermes.orakel.ods.org (Exim Exiscan) using SpamAssassin and ClamAV X-Archives-Salt: a383b99c-8cb1-47e4-8c5a-055b81c226e0 X-Archives-Hash: 582bf0b172379fd6ea0bfbb6e72209c3 Thanks for saying what I wanted to say in human readable English. You have exactly pointed out what I wanted to point out in considerably less 'code'. On Wed, September 7, 2005 06:39, Finn Thain wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Grobian wrote: > >> I have the impression that a few major things *have* to be done. This >> requires 'action' and taking discisions that probably not everyone is >> going to be happy with. > > Yes. You also made this point earlier in the thread, but it got snipped > (I'll repeat it here:) > >> > > If Mike Frysinger would jump in today or tomorrow, here in this >> > > team, we'd have to listen to "OSX sucks" all day long, but also "if >> > > we do it like this, then it works, even on osx". > > And that is one of the main reasons why, in big business, an executive or > team of executives from outside the organisation (often from overseas) > might be installed by a board to do a particular job (e.g. a > reorganisation). > > This is not always because the vision or ability is lacking in-house, it > is because no-one in-house wants the job (makes to many enemies to say > "gentoo-macos sucks"), or because noone in-house will be given sufficient > respect ("he is just one of us, and we don't see a problem") or because > noone in-house can be trusted to do it (doesn't really apply here, since > nepotism and corruption aren't the issue). -- gentoo-osx@gentoo.org mailing list