From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EWi1k-0000Dk-Lf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:21:17 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j9VMKYfU022487; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:20:34 GMT Received: from hermes.orakel.ods.org (dsl67-66.fastxdsl.nl [62.251.66.67]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9VMKX64006769 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:20:33 GMT Received: from aphrodite.orakel.ods.org ([172.17.2.15]) by hermes.orakel.ods.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54) id 1EWi11-0004O6-H8 for gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:20:33 +0100 Message-ID: <436698AF.9070002@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:20:31 +0100 From: Grobian Organization: Gentoo Foundation User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4.1 (Macintosh/20051006) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-osx@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] The road ahead? References: <20051030104901.GA15227@gentoo.org> <376467D8-BCFC-4A3C-9512-1AD1C32CB00B@gentoo.org> <436671E3.5060208@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Scanned: by hermes.orakel.ods.org (Exim Exiscan) using SpamAssassin and ClamAV X-Archives-Salt: 6c8c20c6-f606-441e-923d-011f4fff720d X-Archives-Hash: a8227757d497ffcfff665d1f53d345ef Kito wrote: >> Would you like to lead this sub-project, define roles, tasks and roll >> out a todo list or some minimalistic readme, so people can get >> involved and perhaps start wondering around in the code? > > I'm not sure it warrants a sub-project, but if the consensus is that it > does, I suppose I could lead it if noone else wants to. Hopefully I'll > have some stuff to post in the coming week - an xml project page, very > very rough 'getting started' doc, a prefixed os x stage1/3, pkg > installer, and overlay snapshot. Considering the fragile nature of it > all, and that whatever we/I come up with will function merely as a > working prototype, I'm not sure how 'official' it should really get... sub-project is as large as you want it to be. I didn't want to write 'project' because I don't want to refer to the Gentoo for OSX project as a whole. This thing of portage with prefixes, that's what I meant and it's yours. >> Because I still don't understand the idea of progressive, and I do >> understand myself a bit sometimes. So for me, progressive is a skim >> that exists in bugzilla, but every bug assigned to progressive is >> basically dead. ~ppc-macos is simply the testing side of the mainline >> product we have. > > But again, without the progressive profile, this past weekend when it > came time to get all the system packages merging, I would have been > starting from square1, as opposed to being able to quickly take > advantage of ~12 months of hard work. Had we/I not had this means of > keywording packages that collide with apple files, I'd still be fighting > with spanky on getting the bash ebuild darwin-safe, instead of tackling > the global problems of getting prefixes working. Yes, but then I come in again from my management perspective, and I say: "Progressive as in user product doesn't work!". But really. The work you describe is pure development efforts (luckily) spent before you could actually use it. It takes insight and recognition to do something like that. Kudos to you to identify the need upfront! I would personally 'hide' it away behind a development thing, not cover it under "this is for the real die hards that want bleeding edge stuff: progressive". Because in the latter it isn't clear why you're doing it, and some users might think it's simply *cool*. No, it should be a clear development thing with development hazards, absolutely not meant for any user, unless those that want to sacrifice and contribute their 'blood'. Well, ok, that's my thinking. >> The only way out of there is what ciarmn would like to see >> the best: remove the full ppc-macos keyword from the tree. Then what >> ciarmn wouldn't like so much to see is that you can start all over >> from scratch in an overlay. > > I'm not sure I followed that thought. It's IMHO just not an option. At least I won't allow you to do it. :) Anyway, it's good to know that we're basically on the same route. -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo for Mac OS X Project -- Interim Lead -- gentoo-osx@gentoo.org mailing list