Re: [gentoo-osx] ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?

[Grobian <grobian@gentoo.org>]

On 11-09-2006 15:22:03 -0600, Nathan wrote:
> On 9/11/06, Grobian <grobian@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >ppc-macos is dead, long live ppc-macos

[snip]

> Er, could you summarize what that means for those of us that have been
> waiting to use Gentoo as a fink or darwinports/macports replacement
> since 2004?  Is the project shutting down, or just some part of it?
> 
> Just a bit confused, I thought that some prefixed-progress was finally
> being made.

It means that what's in the Gentoo tree now, which was already
deprecated for ages (there isn't even an official installer) is dead.
At least from my point of view it is.  The prefix stuff, at least on
OSX/PPC is usable enough to be a replacement for that.

[snip]

> Now I'm doubly confused, since you're saying stuff is working.  What
> is dead and what isn't???

I think my previous reply explains that.

> >Personally, I'm fed up with the whole Gentoo system, and the heavy doors
> >you can only slightly open with the most efforts.  Kito being mia, also
> >means one of the biggest driving forces behind prefixed portage being
> >gone.  Exg is busy, which leaves me, not knowledgable enough for most of
> >the stuff I've done here to get it working.  I won't really be surprised
> >if it's done not entirely correct, but so it is.  I'm not going to pull
> >the prefix car, write the glep and try to get it accepted by the rest.
> 
> What about the "gentoo system" are you fed up with?  Are you talking
> about the community system?  Other than your metaphor of heavy doors,
> the rest of your paragraph just points out that you are doing stuff
> all alone.  I'd be happy to help test ebuilds and stuff, once there's
> some beta-quality system to test them with.

It's not that people didn't want to help out.  It's just that we (I?)
need developer help.  And also "acceptance" from the Gentoo developer
community.  Ideally, we would get prefix support in the main tree, with
all current arches using PREFIX="", while we would be the only ones
using PREFIX="/somewhere/else/".  As I feel right now, I'm not even
going to try to suggest this to the community.

> There's no sync mechanism for the prefix tree?  That doesn't sound
> very...usable.

I'll try and see what infra can and will do for us.

> Is this the "heavy door" you were referring to earlier?

Getting infra to do this for us, is part of this heavy door.

> Is there anything I can help with?  I'm sick of waiting, but I only
> have superficial experience with toolchain-related issues and the
> inner workings of portage itself.  So I've waited...and waited...and
> waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
> waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
> waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
> waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
> waited...and waited...and waited...

Yes, test, test, test.  Try to bootstrap a prefixed system, ask for help
here, get it running, report which packages miss, which onces are
outdated, etc.

-- 
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo for Mac OS X Project
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