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From: "Dirk Schönberger" <dirk.schoenberger@sz-online.de>
To: <gentoo-osx@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] New document: Project targets
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:36:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00f501c60291$2d02a7a0$14b2a8c0@rincewind> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20051216221614.GZ14948@gentoo.org

> How does the absense of a read-only file-system affect the ability to
> have a union-mount only 'visible' for a specific user or user-process?
> Or is this read-only thing necessary to solve another problem?
> Essential for the union-mount solution to work, is that it can at
> least be *only* visible/available for a given (user) process.  Otherwise
> your system is less different from a progressive system.  Still in that
> case, the union-mount solution might have some advantages, like simple
> repair, and a backup procedure (unmount the union-mount, or restart the
> machine -- assuming you didn't add the union-mount to fstab).

The idea seems to be that you have a "live" version of the host system (real
"/", which is mounted read-only and unioned with
a copy on write system).
Current Darwin only allows .dmg or mounting from an unmounted device. In
both cases the underlying system is
intrinsically read-only, i.e. the union fs is not really needed.
I don't think it is a good idea to unomount / remount read-only your root
file system.
If you clone a existing installation and mount this, I think you have
effectively a progressive system. This approach is mentioned in the
entoo-macos bootstrap howto.

That the union file system is visible to all processes becomes a secondary
problem (I think it just means that you could have only one parallel
Gentoo union / chroot)

The basic problem with the Darwin unionfs implementation is that you have to
have a (read-only) file system in the first place, which you can union to.
As far as I understand the Linux version (which may be only a wishlist entry
resp. a specification, you can do things like

mount folder1 read-only U folder2 read-only U folder 3 read-write (where U
is a concatenation operator)
The FreeBSD soltuins divides these usecases into the actual union (unionfs),
and the mount from a subfolder of a mounted deice (nullfs)



Regards
Dirk



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  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-16 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-16 15:17 [gentoo-osx] New document: Project targets Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-16 15:24 ` Grobian
2005-12-16 15:30   ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-16 17:40     ` Grobian
2005-12-16 21:02       ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-16 22:16         ` Grobian
2005-12-16 22:36           ` Dirk Schönberger [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-12-16 15:09 Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-13 13:37 Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14  5:41 ` Finn Thain
2005-12-14  9:10   ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14 19:12     ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-14 19:25       ` Grobian
2005-12-14 19:58         ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-14 19:15     ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-12  9:01 Grobian
2005-12-12 16:36 ` Nathan
2005-12-12 18:00   ` Grobian
2005-12-12 18:21     ` Nathan
2005-12-12 19:29       ` Grobian
2005-12-14 19:11       ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-14 19:22         ` Grobian
2005-12-14 20:18           ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-14 20:26             ` Grobian
2005-12-14 21:22               ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14 21:27                 ` Nathan
2005-12-14 21:29                   ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14 21:39                     ` Grobian
2005-12-14 21:43                       ` Nathan
2005-12-14 22:01                       ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14 22:12                         ` Nathan
2005-12-14 22:33                           ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14 22:56                             ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-14 23:06                               ` Nathan
2005-12-14 23:36                                 ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-15  7:22                                   ` Grobian
2005-12-15  8:33                                     ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-15 15:02                                     ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-15 15:10                                       ` Grobian
2005-12-15  7:12                             ` Grobian
2005-12-14 23:02                         ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-14 23:42                           ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-15  0:35                             ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-15  7:27                               ` Grobian
2005-12-15  8:27                                 ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-15  9:36                                   ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-15  9:47                                     ` Dirk Schönberger
2005-12-15 11:17                                       ` Marcin Gabrowski
2005-12-15 14:29                                   ` Grobian
2005-12-14 21:31                 ` Grobian
2005-12-12 19:46 ` Grobian
2005-12-13  9:03 ` Grobian
2005-12-15 20:28 ` Grobian

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