[gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Aaron Bauman]

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To whom it may concern,

The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.

Greg Kroah-Hartman
Paul Varner
Theo Chatzimichos
José María Alonso
Markos Chandras
Jonathan Vasquez
Pavlos Ratis
Jeffrey Gardner
Sebastien Fabbro
Alex Brandt

On Behalf of the Trustees,

-- 
Cheers,
Aaron

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[M. J. Everitt]

On 9 July 2019 7:43:33 pm Aaron Bauman <bman@gentoo.org> wrote:

> To whom it may concern,
>
> The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
> the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
> list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
> trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
>
> Greg Kroah-Hartman
> Paul Varner
> Theo Chatzimichos
> José María Alonso
> Markos Chandras
> Jonathan Vasquez
> Pavlos Ratis
> Jeffrey Gardner
> Sebastien Fabbro
> Alex Brandt
>
> On Behalf of the Trustees,
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Aaron

Forgive me, but haven't these members been retired??

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Doug Freed]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:48 PM M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:
>
> On 9 July 2019 7:43:33 pm Aaron Bauman <bman@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > To whom it may concern,
> >
> > The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
> > the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
> > list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
> > trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
> >
> > Greg Kroah-Hartman
> > Paul Varner
> > Theo Chatzimichos
> > José María Alonso
> > Markos Chandras
> > Jonathan Vasquez
> > Pavlos Ratis
> > Jeffrey Gardner
> > Sebastien Fabbro
> > Alex Brandt
> >
> > On Behalf of the Trustees,
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Aaron
>
> Forgive me, but haven't these members been retired??

Retired developers can remain Foundation members (which they do by
default), though their foundation membership is probably linked to
their old gentoo.org email address, which is obviously no longer
active.

-dwfreed

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:48:42PM +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote:
> On 9 July 2019 7:43:33 pm Aaron Bauman <bman@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
> > the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
> > list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
> > trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
...
> > On Behalf of the Trustees,
> Forgive me, but haven't these members been retired??
Retiring a developer does not automatically revoke your Foundation
membership.

I'd like to point out this clause under bylaw 7.1 [1]:
"Each member shall be responsible for notifying the foundation of
changes to such member's, electronic mail address and public gpg key."

[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_7.1._Books_and_Records

-- 
Robin Hugh Johnson
Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer
E-Mail   : robbat2@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[M. J. Everitt]

On 9 July 2019 7:53:50 pm "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:48:42PM +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote:
>> On 9 July 2019 7:43:33 pm Aaron Bauman <bman@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> > The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
>> > the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
>> > list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
>> > trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
> ...
>> > On Behalf of the Trustees,
>> Forgive me, but haven't these members been retired??
> Retiring a developer does not automatically revoke your Foundation
> membership.
>
> I'd like to point out this clause under bylaw 7.1 [1]:
> "Each member shall be responsible for notifying the foundation of
> changes to such member's, electronic mail address and public gpg key."
>
> [1] 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_7.1._Books_and_Records
>
> --
> Robin Hugh Johnson
> Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer
> E-Mail   : robbat2@gentoo.org
> GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85
> GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136

How does this reconcile with the requirement that all trustee members must 
be Gentoo developers?! And/or can only become members as a result of 
competing the developer quizzes. This seems rather bizarre, no?!

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Alec Warner]

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On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:05 PM M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@iee.org> wrote:

> On 9 July 2019 7:53:50 pm "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:48:42PM +0100, M. J. Everitt wrote:
> >> On 9 July 2019 7:43:33 pm Aaron Bauman <bman@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> > The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on
> file with
> >> > the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce
> mailing
> >> > list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please
> email
> >> > trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
> > ...
> >> > On Behalf of the Trustees,
> >> Forgive me, but haven't these members been retired??
> > Retiring a developer does not automatically revoke your Foundation
> > membership.
> >
> > I'd like to point out this clause under bylaw 7.1 [1]:
> > "Each member shall be responsible for notifying the foundation of
> > changes to such member's, electronic mail address and public gpg key."
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_7.1._Books_and_Records
> >
> > --
> > Robin Hugh Johnson
> > Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer
> > E-Mail   : robbat2@gentoo.org
> > GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85
> > GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136
>
> How does this reconcile with the requirement that all trustee members must
> be Gentoo developers?! And/or can only become members as a result of
> competing the developer quizzes. This seems rather bizarre, no?!
>

The Foundation has members (who can be anyone[0]), a board of trustees (who
must be active developers) and officers (some of whom can be anyone; but
some officer posts are restricted to trustees only, and thus are also
restricted to developers.)

The board is formed of active developers to sustain a relationship with the
developer community.

Is this unclear?

-A

[0]
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Bylaws#Section_4.3._Admission_of_Members

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Michał Górny]

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On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 14:42 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote:
> To whom it may concern,
> 
> The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
> the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
> list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
> trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
> 
> Greg Kroah-Hartman

Last voted in 2012.

> Theo Chatzimichos

Last voted in 2016.

> Markos Chandras

Last voted in 2013.

> Jonathan Vasquez

Never voted.

> Pavlos Ratis

Last voted in 2016.

> Jeffrey Gardner

Last voted in 2013.

> Alex Brandt

Last voted in 2016.

> 

All the people listed above should have been removed from member list
per the standing policy.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny


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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Michael Everitt]

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On 09/07/19 20:22, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-07-09 at 14:42 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote:
>> To whom it may concern,
>>
>> The following list of individuals currently have email addresses on file with
>> the Foundation which have bounced from the gentoo-foundation-announce mailing
>> list.  If you intend to participate in this election cycle please email
>> trustees@gentoo.org with an updated email address.
>>
>> Greg Kroah-Hartman
> Last voted in 2012.
>
>> Theo Chatzimichos
> Last voted in 2016.
>
>> Markos Chandras
> Last voted in 2013.
>
>> Jonathan Vasquez
> Never voted.
>
>> Pavlos Ratis
> Last voted in 2016.
>
>> Jeffrey Gardner
> Last voted in 2013.
>
>> Alex Brandt
> Last voted in 2016.
>
> All the people listed above should have been removed from member list
> per the standing policy.
>
Thank you for clearing this up Michal.


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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Ulrich Mueller]

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>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2019, Michał Górny wrote:

>> Greg Kroah-Hartman

> Last voted in 2012.
Retired (as developer) in 2018.

>> Theo Chatzimichos

> Last voted in 2016.
Retired in April 2017.

>> Markos Chandras

> Last voted in 2013.
Retired in 2018.

>> Jonathan Vasquez

> Never voted.
Retired in 2018.

>> Pavlos Ratis

> Last voted in 2016.
Retired in April 2017.

>> Jeffrey Gardner

> Last voted in 2013.
Retired in 2018.

>> Alex Brandt

> Last voted in 2016.
Retired in 2018.

> All the people listed above should have been removed from member list
> per the standing policy.

As I interpret the policy, that rule doesn't apply to active developers?
So missing two consecutive votes would be counted from the date of their
retirement? The eligibility cutoff for the 2017 election was at
2017-07-05, so the above would only apply for devs who have retired
before that date.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Ulrich

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Non-contactable Members

[Michał Górny]

Dnia July 10, 2019 6:28:58 AM UTC, Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2019, Michał Górny wrote:
>
>>> Greg Kroah-Hartman
>
>> Last voted in 2012.
>Retired (as developer) in 2018.
>
>>> Theo Chatzimichos
>
>> Last voted in 2016.
>Retired in April 2017.
>
>>> Markos Chandras
>
>> Last voted in 2013.
>Retired in 2018.
>
>>> Jonathan Vasquez
>
>> Never voted.
>Retired in 2018.
>
>>> Pavlos Ratis
>
>> Last voted in 2016.
>Retired in April 2017.
>
>>> Jeffrey Gardner
>
>> Last voted in 2013.
>Retired in 2018.
>
>>> Alex Brandt
>
>> Last voted in 2016.
>Retired in 2018.
>
>> All the people listed above should have been removed from member list
>> per the standing policy.
>
>As I interpret the policy, that rule doesn't apply to active
>developers?

Yes. It is like this because they could request being readded immediately, so it's pointless to remove them while they're active.

>So missing two consecutive votes would be counted from the date of
>their
>retirement? The eligibility cutoff for the 2017 election was at
>2017-07-05, so the above would only apply for devs who have retired
>before that date.

I don't see why it would be. In the previous years, we have been applying the 2 years rule to all members who weren't devs at removal time, even if they were recently retired.

People can reapply if they really care. Assuming that people who hadn't cared for foundation affairs for over two years, and who afterwards either resigned from being devs or were retired for inactivity, would suddenly become interested and active doesn't seem right. If we keep dead members for years we'll never reach quorum.

>
>Please correct me if I am mistaken.
>
>Ulrich


--
Best regards, 
Michał Górny