From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A31F13933E for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9167DE0C15; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CBFAE0C15; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 11:23:58 -0400 From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-project , Gentoo Elections Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-nfp] 2021 Trustees election Message-ID: References: <0b4c895018c93be369b1d534fe393f2f5b6952ea.camel@gentoo.org> <87d313a2-790d-254b-bbc9-db5a0c58f642@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MWX6DcJTniv4UkB9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Archives-Salt: c1ebc2ce-eff0-4bb1-b3f4-39cdee0a7191 X-Archives-Hash: 9fea7ec90af0be34124ab0d8e40d8dab --MWX6DcJTniv4UkB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 10:58:31AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 10:16 AM Aaron Bauman wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 07:32:12AM +0300, Joonas Niilola wrote: > > > > > > Out of curiosity, with an umbrella organization could there be any fe= ar > > > for a similar takeover that happened with Freenode? > > > > > > > There is a possibility of such, but it is highly unlikely. > > > > More realistic/probable concerns are umbrellas enforcing > > rules/guidelines/requirements that Gentoo may not agree with. >=20 > IMO these are effectively the same thing. When the situation with > Freenode was nothing more than a legal formality nobody cared about > it. As soon as it starts to have practical impact on how things work > (or is anticipated to), that is when everybody starts getting upset. >=20 > I do think some of your examples are the sorts of things that are very > likely to come up based on current trends, and you can use your > imagination to consider others. Whether these are a concern or not is > going to vary based on individual sentiments. >=20 > Either way (umbrella takeover or internal takeover), the "Libera > solution" would still be an option. This is why I think that the best > defense against hostile takeover is minimizing dependence on lots of > complex infrastructure for core functions. The less you have to > replace the less painful it is to do. If ICE or whatever seized > gentoo.org, and our emails all start bouncing and DNS addresses of > servers/etc stop resolving, do enough people know how to find each > other to put the band back together (I'm guessing we wouldn't lose > access to IRC in that case, so probably yes)? > Good point. I agree this is a viable and smart option to pursue. > This isn't intended to start a tangent, just to point out that this > legal risk is hard to avoid when your operational and legal orgs are > somewhat disjoint. > They are disjoint by design and would remain disjoint (internal or umbrella), hence your decentralization point. -Aaron --MWX6DcJTniv4UkB9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEmv7M5qd5RX+UB+cwV6vTrTwY1fAFAmDlxw4ACgkQV6vTrTwY 1fAv1gf/Xs2+d5dmgImBoh/RNa6S+5QBLGAoWA4uH1axE4Wtolze5KgX7CJ7vDMa yClpKNhWrGdIBof51iwm6X8lH5Qt6ENx2gCvajQT0eK0I6SOZNWGjGuWfGr6JCfb /L07zZinre3jvSFT9WSLo2bPakSv7iejJNEMD8G75bKYocfKb7T/o1rke520/Lbl qL4eu+YwyLj0XbSky7tS/8EiFpnF4WV7Q54ECvq1vmCofniYpkps2HsgyZQAj40q EYhW4IGhS3GRwLvpR+hvy5v6JYb3rXnIbCU+6fuMn3nNjanXVg1TZir71IB/lmVq xEeixCrOdNXeKfaA9U5WKYwZYJ2vug== =XiyS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MWX6DcJTniv4UkB9--