From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CB931382C5 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2020 10:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60B34E09CE; Sat, 27 Jun 2020 10:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 409A4E09CE for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2020 10:04:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost03c.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jp7gt-0008Qn-QX for gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2020 10:04:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 11:03:30 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Social contract and its effect on vendors and service delivery. To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: (from antarus@gentoo.org on Fri Jun 26 21:17:41 2020) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.6 Message-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-im2Q94Kvtqi3Diwwy9cw" X-Originating-smarthost03c-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: f8bcec32-a527-4591-a49d-21898035a38c X-Archives-Hash: 0e0c5e59ece12b02db8e9762db749c44 --=-im2Q94Kvtqi3Diwwy9cw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2020.06.26 21:17, Alec Warner wrote: > Hi, >=20 > The infrastructure team often receives feedback that services are > slow. One > idea we have to improve service delivery for users is to offer edge > connectivity closer to users. We generally have two choices here: > - We can build out an edge by buying machines in various data > centers; > installing a reverse proxy on them, and then backhauling the traffic > to our > service origin. > - We can buy these services from many different CDN providers who > have > already done the first step; for a nominal fee[0]. >=20 > Is it against the social contract to purchase these CDN services? > Is it against the social contract to purchase these CDN services, even > if > the services are provided via open source software? >=20 > -A >=20 > [0] I'm not intending to have a fiscal argument; there are obvious > tradeoffs between buy / build and money. I'm interested in the social > contract only for the moment. > -A >=20 Alec, As with other things, the key concept is dependency. Perform the thought experiment oy adding these services to Gentoo, and asking how does Gentoo work now? Now take them away again and ask the question again. If Gentoo still works, there is clearly no "dependency". That test must pass but its not sufficient. We also need to ensure that Gentoo does not become dependant accidentality due to other subsequent changes in Gentoo. In the case of CDN, its an add on extra for our users. Nothing goes away. Its difficult to see how Gentoo could become dependant accidentality too. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods arm64= --=-im2Q94Kvtqi3Diwwy9cw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEsOrcx0gZrrCMwJzo/xJODTqpeT4FAl73GXQACgkQ/xJODTqp eT58bAgAjBbW+AjNIUcpDmtyZcwcKamkpyjDdLamn/g3JihIvMMHQTGVvEy2GM9B /xcfqmWVXsxngEsgQdtnlUCbdb4LsEvGeBzEQXv7KGDYuFHQ2YpfNM5CHqiJBaQG K8VELMNBDjQVJfabio1Np5lDoianeTEiVwoTfVmUocOge1kpK3qeHdGMQ6L6tA+C dZ2gd2ZCYcw2453Y79+W3ggHqatPdDm7Qk2kvqDGPknJmvncABik8jfiMYfSS1/q I5CCTPcvtSwcwlq/ElqiEDYbDPf+uMrN1xYLa1n71/LST4CHFgUIS/DpnG8Pw1ot ox0SoLuIGGBT5iB8WQtm8Nbo5p6/WQ== =6CHh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-im2Q94Kvtqi3Diwwy9cw--