From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FAFA1382C5 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C727E0BCF; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FD6AE0BCF for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id u62-v6so1430956ita.5 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 00:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=j2ZWHZ9bHLC2/vCeAHWogTKqY0ArNWXl+O7J5Ki7Fag=; b=zDDdf7CcCnMxyU/0BXBKHwaHOjoekIJ/SDS1yrf1tdUERbLX4EuOwp7N3hsXv6oOF3 UsKmZcy307CcNrNNz/n6JGDAEjaIzh0QpWX1edVs5U4NB/snGogSt2YUWZ2tuiAkJTSS 1XaV+5uf0SKnu7n6wypN3cN4i4H1oHZl5vgKyqtvWsxbqTqv72vNOJZcvBO8U8c/rwQQ INhx/0cyJYG8j7M656yVzwFfH59O0FWNEG8velRgPpWnaHpDyRuAFhEpVNRmDYAfAdzn X/WtRycIne5dwvqnwRzNKXnDI5a7vKletPMLPz/Q2bnO3nk9BLkcgT5gWofdcBfd8ZhT it1Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=j2ZWHZ9bHLC2/vCeAHWogTKqY0ArNWXl+O7J5Ki7Fag=; b=eHMbG2XUsitd3We44EE1o2Nr3riXIqR/kMYkaDrfQp9zi0ILDk1XXFEIcSmhhOxaXp HOeAAqJ7MvOzvTbMor76SCh7Fbblq5btIPksUkfzApZGUBmsibZjqo2eoaZZNl+vgU9c NkYSWNZmtRcYrxaPgkv0sg2ksrq6+I0gMAsJn1M2Hu6TLngtmvbbkgnyHnywVx1gB+se 4Pu85JP5c91ALfV3rqVNESeGlr3dbIiYDmHFnx8gXpYSIzNNVHRIe5djhuvZmy6i53Mr jvPEYqViCh0dJxED0hb5lMtaFg9lGEfxr0QZRZ7pG0uqb+jno2PtRFr69zY6MF6mmWCT YC8w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tC1QSjXQNydIons/fW2N/26P/qbbdhisHtsI/4KKU53ppRQjOrq QwBweW1H3cgLpGQ6Rxx5ox/t6AXlCCcioYj0Os8DCy5a X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/0faU/8Ht/1qVqDNCZMloPY5ppaKZKim5/1rwqrxlBuMsrwrJQVPln9pM6oo+jjxhelV6rZA0KIuH/2HKHsDA= X-Received: by 2002:a24:7dcc:: with SMTP id b195-v6mr2609276itc.149.1523431089621; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 00:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.78.215 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 00:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Robbins Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 01:18:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-nfp] Agenda item: Contacting Eben Moglen To: gentoo-nfp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000efe09205698d7090" X-Archives-Salt: 12d2809c-6908-4ebe-a287-8d84ec40a060 X-Archives-Hash: 6e2c1974935494b7791e3958ef7e7562 --000000000000efe09205698d7090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All, I'd like to propose an agenda item of having a trustee reach out to Eben Moglen of the Software Freedom Law Center. He is a fantastic lawyer. I believe that Eben and the SFLC are fully capable of addressing all of the Gentoo Foundation's outstanding issues in a timely manner. I have personally been assisted by Eben and have found him to be an amazing lawyer and found the SFLC to have my best interests at heart. I was never pushed to donate to the SFLC. World-class legal assistance was provided immediately by Eben himself. Robbat2 has raised some concerns about how assistance might be provided on an ongoing basis, like would help from the SFLC continue to be free? Or would they expect payment of some kind? A fair question. They do get funding from other large corporations that are in a better position to donate so they don't absolutely need to be compensated, but based on my experience, they do mention the possibility of donating very gently -- and without imparting any guilt upon the recipient of the message -- suggest it in passing, *after* the assistance is provided. That is all. I have heard Eben's very polite and gentle suggestion for support after very significant legal service was provided for free, with no questions asked, after the legal matter he handled on my behalf had been completely resolved, so I can give you a feel for how that goes. When Eben did mention it, he actually recommended I *not* donate any funds at this time, but consider it some time in the future if my situation allowed it. I consider that to be a very ethical stance and one that I appreciated, since it would have been financially difficult. He of course needs to raise money for the SFLC but his primary mission is to help people. He is very much devoted to helping not-for-profits and just random free software people with various legal issues. The stuff that seem like unsolvable, intractable legal issues to geeks like us are things that he can handle with ease. For not-for-profits, I would guess that after providing a significant amount of gratis legal work to the Foundation, he would also similarly suggest a donation from the Foundation to the SFLC. I would imagine no actual dollar amount would be mentioned, it would be up to the Foundation to decide what it might be comfortable donating. Frankly I think Eben's strategy is to jump in, save the day, and at the end of it all you have such a high opinion of the services provided and are so relieved that if you have some ability to make a donation, you will, because you are so thankful for the assistance and see the value that the SFLC provides to the free software community. That has been my experience. Please, reach out to him. Let's get these chronic Foundation issues fixed once and for all. If we end up making a donation to the SFLC as part of this process, I believe it will be an excellent use of Foundation funds. Best, Daniel --000000000000efe09205698d7090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

I'd like to propose an agenda = item of having a trustee reach out to Eben Moglen of the Software Freedom L= aw Center. He is a fantastic lawyer.

I believe tha= t Eben and the SFLC are fully capable of addressing all of the Gentoo Found= ation's outstanding issues in a timely manner. I have personally been a= ssisted by Eben and have found him to be an amazing lawyer and found the SF= LC to have my best interests at heart. I was never pushed to donate to the = SFLC. World-class legal assistance was provided immediately by Eben himself= .

Robbat2 has raised some concerns about how assis= tance might be provided on an ongoing basis, like would help from the SFLC = continue to be free? Or would they expect payment of some kind? A fair ques= tion.

They do get funding from other large corpora= tions that are in a better position to donate so they don't absolutely = need to be compensated, but based on my experience, they do mention the pos= sibility of donating very gently -- and without imparting any guilt upon th= e recipient of the message -- suggest it in passing, *after* the assistance= is provided. That is all. I have heard Eben's very polite and gentle s= uggestion for support after very significant legal service was provided for= free, with no questions asked, after the legal matter he handled on my beh= alf had been completely resolved, so I can give you a feel for how that goe= s.

When Eben did mention it, he actually recommend= ed I *not* donate any funds at this time, but consider it some time in the = future if my situation allowed it. I consider that to be a very ethical sta= nce and one that I appreciated, since it would have been financially diffic= ult. He of course needs to raise money for the SFLC but his primary mission= is to help people. He is very much devoted to helping not-for-profits and = just random free software people with various legal issues. The stuff that = seem like unsolvable, intractable legal issues to geeks like us are things = that he can handle with ease.

For not-for-profits,= I would guess that after providing a significant amount of gratis legal wo= rk to the Foundation, he would also similarly suggest a donation from the F= oundation to the SFLC. I would imagine no actual dollar amount would be men= tioned, it would be up to the Foundation to decide what it might be comfort= able donating. Frankly I think Eben's strategy is to jump in, save the = day, and at the end of it all you have such a high opinion of the services = provided and are so relieved that if you have some ability to make a donati= on, you will, because you are so thankful for the assistance and see the va= lue that the SFLC provides to the free software community. That has been my= experience.

Please, reach out to him. Let's g= et these chronic Foundation issues fixed once and for all. If we end up mak= ing a donation to the SFLC as part of this process, I believe it will be an= excellent use of Foundation funds.

Best,

Danie= l
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