[gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Daniel Campbell]

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I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.

It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
participation. Thoughts?
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Rich Freeman]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
>
> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
> participation. Thoughts?

++ - in general I find it difficult to rank anybody over
reopen-nomination if they can't be bothered to describe their goals.
I don't see why it would be any less important for Trustees than
Council members.

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Rich

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)]

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El 11/07/17 a las 22:47, Rich Freeman escribió:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
>> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
>> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
>> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
>> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
>> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
>>
>> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
>> participation. Thoughts?
> ++ - in general I find it difficult to rank anybody over
> reopen-nomination if they can't be bothered to describe their goals.
> I don't see why it would be any less important for Trustees than
> Council members.
>
I did send my manifesto on my acceptance e-mail:

"Don't expect void promises or long copy pasted wikipedia articles this
time though. If I'm elected I'll just do what I can to keep Gentoo being
the most awesome distro ever"

I know it is three lines but I'm kind of in a complex spot here as I
still don't have enough experience on the board to know what can or
can't be promised (being doable) nor want to make void empty promises I
can't accomplish. So here are the things that are under my control:
* I'll try my best to attend the meetings.
* I'll try my best to keep Gentoo awesome.
* I won't pick up the money and run :P

Quite a mediocre statement, but I don't expect to be excelent, just good
enough ;)

Klondike



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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Denis Dupeyron]

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On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Thoughts?


Ideally a manifesto would be required or at least useful. However...

The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was the
only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't elected. I may
have been a bad candidate for that election, although honestly I thought I
was the better candidate and I'm obviously unbiased, but it clearly shows
manifestos are not a factor. This and the council elections are beauty
contests. Very few people vote and those who do choose based on who they
are friends with. The only thing a manifesto does in a Gentoo election is
satisfy the conscience and ego of the author.

And now, ladies and gentlemen, Rich's 10-page reply [1].

Calchan

[1] This is merely an attempt at preemptively defusing one of his dreaded
novel-sized email bomb. Let's see if it works.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Rich Freeman]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was the
> only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't elected. I may
> have been a bad candidate for that election, although honestly I thought I
> was the better candidate and I'm obviously unbiased, but it clearly shows
> manifestos are not a factor.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with your personality...

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Rich

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Alice Ferrazzi]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
>
> Ideally a manifesto would be required or at least useful. However...
>
> The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was the
> only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't elected. I may
> have been a bad candidate for that election, although honestly I thought I
> was the better candidate and I'm obviously unbiased, but it clearly shows
> manifestos are not a factor. This and the council elections are beauty
> contests. Very few people vote and those who do choose based on who they are
> friends with. The only thing a manifesto does in a Gentoo election is
> satisfy the conscience and ego of the author.
>

yes, the manifesto is optional but someone have it.

bit short but here is mine:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/trustee-manifesto.html


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Alice Ferrazzi

Gentoo Kernel Project Leader
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Kristian Fiskerstrand]

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On 07/11/2017 10:42 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
> 
> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
> participation. Thoughts?
> 

I very much agree with this sentiment, I'd really like to see manifestos
from the various trustee candidates outlining their qualifications to be
representatives of a board of directors.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 11/07/17 23:57, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org
> <mailto:zlg@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
>     Thoughts?
>
>
> Ideally a manifesto would be required or at least useful. However...
>
> The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was
> the only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't
> elected. I may have been a bad candidate for that election, although
> honestly I thought I was the better candidate and I'm obviously
> unbiased, but it clearly shows manifestos are not a factor. This and
> the council elections are beauty contests. Very few people vote and
> those who do choose based on who they are friends with. The only thing
> a manifesto does in a Gentoo election is satisfy the conscience and
> ego of the author.
>
> And now, ladies and gentlemen, Rich's 10-page reply [1].
>
> Calchan
>
> [1] This is merely an attempt at preemptively defusing one of his
> dreaded novel-sized email bomb. Let's see if it works.
Forgive me .. but +1 .. to all of this ..

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Matthew Thode]

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On 17-07-11 13:42:46, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
> 
> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
> participation. Thoughts?
> -- 
> Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
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> 

Well, since trustees are now required to be dev (at least staffers), a
good place to put their manifesto would be their devspace on woodpecker.
If they can't put it there making a page under their user on the wiki
may work as well.

It could be handled the same way as the council election was tracked
with the election page linking to each manifesto.

-- 
Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2017.07.11 21:42, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
> 
> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
> participation. Thoughts?
> -- 
> Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
> OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
> fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C  1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6
> 
> 

Team,

We have three candidates for three seats on the board. Unless
more candidates accept nomintatins these candidates will be 
elected unopposed.

In short, manifestos will not be taken into account by the electorate
as there will be no vote.
 
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Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
elections
gentoo-ops
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Andrew Savchenko]

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:42:46 -0700 Daniel Campbell wrote:
> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
> 
> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
> participation. Thoughts?

I fully support this. Manifestos help to understand nominees
better: what is their vision, how are they going to deal with
problems, what is their qualification. Not all activities are
easily visible, so manifestos help here well enough.

The Foundation has some long-standing issues, e.g. lack of
financial reports since 2013 and if I remember Gentoo miniconf in
Prague last year correctly, we have some accounting problems as
well. It would be nice to see how nominees are going to help with
this if they can.

I also want to ask the Elections team to maintain the Trustees
election wiki page with nominees manifestos the same way it was
done for the Council election.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Daniel Campbell]

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On 07/11/2017 03:48 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote:
> El 11/07/17 a las 22:47, Rich Freeman escribió:
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> I understand that Trustees have a different role than Council members,
>>> but given the difficulties in resolving some organizational issues for
>>> the Foundation over the years, wouldn't it be easier for Foundation
>>> members to choose their candidate(s) with some idea of what the
>>> candidate(s) intend to do as Trustee? I see the wiki page for the
>>> election includes a field for a manifesto, yet no nominee has one.
>>>
>>> It may give the Foundation a little momentum and encourage
>>> participation. Thoughts?
>> ++ - in general I find it difficult to rank anybody over
>> reopen-nomination if they can't be bothered to describe their goals.
>> I don't see why it would be any less important for Trustees than
>> Council members.
>>
> I did send my manifesto on my acceptance e-mail:
> 
> "Don't expect void promises or long copy pasted wikipedia articles this
> time though. If I'm elected I'll just do what I can to keep Gentoo being
> the most awesome distro ever"
> 
> I know it is three lines but I'm kind of in a complex spot here as I
> still don't have enough experience on the board to know what can or
> can't be promised (being doable) nor want to make void empty promises I
> can't accomplish. So here are the things that are under my control:
> * I'll try my best to attend the meetings.
> * I'll try my best to keep Gentoo awesome.
> * I won't pick up the money and run :P
> 
> Quite a mediocre statement, but I don't expect to be excelent, just good
> enough ;)
> 
> Klondike
> 
> 
To be fair, I don't think anyone's looking for *promises*. :) That's a
recipe for disappointment in libre software. Knowing someone's goals is
generally enough. However, if you don't mind, could you share how you'd
like to keep Gentoo awesome? I'd like to know more about what parts of
Gentoo you think are great, your experience with the distro, and a few
values of leadership you feel are important.

I can appreciate the simplicity angle, so short answers are totally
fine. The reason I'm asking is to learn more about you and the other
nominees. It might even help nominees figure out what their "platform"
and goals are, which means a better Gentoo, imo.

~zlg
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Daniel Campbell]

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On 07/11/2017 03:57 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org
> <mailto:zlg@gentoo.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Ideally a manifesto would be required or at least useful. However...
> 
> The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was
> the only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't elected.
> I may have been a bad candidate for that election, although honestly I
> thought I was the better candidate and I'm obviously unbiased, but it
> clearly shows manifestos are not a factor. This and the council
> elections are beauty contests. Very few people vote and those who do
> choose based on who they are friends with. The only thing a manifesto
> does in a Gentoo election is satisfy the conscience and ego of the author.
> 
> And now, ladies and gentlemen, Rich's 10-page reply [1].
> 
> Calchan
> 
> [1] This is merely an attempt at preemptively defusing one of his
> dreaded novel-sized email bomb. Let's see if it works.

On the plus side, a manifesto can be reused and edited each year. I
can't speak for other Foundation members or developers, but manifestos
and general involvement in the distro (incl. commits, helping less
experienced developers, strong technical leaders, forum/IRC ops,
#g-dev-help, etc) have steered my vote far more than which group I am
(or rather, aren't) in. Perhaps it's naïve of me to assume others would
do the same, but I'd like to believe we want to elect competent leaders
rather than our best buds.

The recent Council election results confirm that Gentoo is interested in
shaking things up a little. I think discussion of goals and directions
had a lot to do with that change. Maybe I'm wrong. If you ever decide to
run again, I'd be glad to read your take on things.

~zlg
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Rich Freeman]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> The recent Council election results confirm that Gentoo is interested in
> shaking things up a little.

I'm not sure I follow.  All 4 incumbents ended up in the top 5 slots,
and mgorny (the only candidate to outrank an incumbent) has
practically written half the proposals in the last year.

Overall it was a pretty conservative result.  That isn't intended to
disparage anybody who wasn't an incumbent (nobody starts out as an
incumbent) - just an observation that as has been the case in the last
few years the incumbents have tended to win.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Raymond Jennings]

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As a voter, I would like to ask all potential trustees:

1.  What would you see your duty as in Gentoo?
2.  In what way is this distinct from the role you see fulfilled by members
of the council?

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> > The recent Council election results confirm that Gentoo is interested in
> > shaking things up a little.
>
> I'm not sure I follow.  All 4 incumbents ended up in the top 5 slots,
> and mgorny (the only candidate to outrank an incumbent) has
> practically written half the proposals in the last year.
>
> Overall it was a pretty conservative result.  That isn't intended to
> disparage anybody who wasn't an incumbent (nobody starts out as an
> incumbent) - just an observation that as has been the case in the last
> few years the incumbents have tended to win.
>
> --
> Rich
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Daniel Campbell]

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On 07/12/2017 04:17 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> The recent Council election results confirm that Gentoo is interested in
>> shaking things up a little.
> 
> I'm not sure I follow.  All 4 incumbents ended up in the top 5 slots,
> and mgorny (the only candidate to outrank an incumbent) has
> practically written half the proposals in the last year.
> 
> Overall it was a pretty conservative result.  That isn't intended to
> disparage anybody who wasn't an incumbent (nobody starts out as an
> incumbent) - just an observation that as has been the case in the last
> few years the incumbents have tended to win.
> 

Why stop at five when the Council consists of seven members? Three seats
changed for 2017-2018. I took the time to dig up past election results
and indicated the change between each year. [1, also attached] The last
time 3 or more seats changed was in the 2013-2014 election. To me,
that's significant enough to claim that there is movement within Gentoo,
especially considering last year's election had no change in seats.
Before that (2015-2016) was 2 seats, and before that (2014-2015), only one.

[1]: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zlg/election-results.txt
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# Gentoo Council Election Results
# found via https://archives.gentoo.org

# 2008-2009
# First election? Couldn't find prior data.
betelgeuse
dberkholz
dertobi123
flameeyes
halcy0n
jokey
lu_zero

# 2009-2010
# 4 seats changed
betelgeuse
calchan
dertobi123
leio
lu_zero
solar
ulm

# 2010-2011
# 6 seats changed (RECORD)
betelgeuse
chainsaw
ferringb
halcy0n
jmbsvicetto
scarabeus
wired

# 2011-2012
# 3 seats changed
betelgeuse
chainsaw
dberkholz
grobian
hwoarang
jmbsvicetto
ulm

# 2012-2013
# 2 seats changed
betelgeuse
chainsaw
dberkholz
grobian
scarabeus
ulm
williamh

# 2013-2014
# 3 seats changed
blueness
dberkholz
dilfridge
rich0
scarabeus
ulm
williamh

# 2014-2015
# 1 seat changed
blueness
dberkholz
dilfridge
radhermit
rich0
ulm
williamh

# 2015-2016
# 2 seats changed
blueness
dilfridge
jlec
k_f
rich0
ulm
williamh

# 2016-2017
# no change
blueness
dilfridge
jlec
k_f
rich0
ulm
williamh

# 2017-2018
# 3 seats changed
dilfridge
k_f
mgorny
slyfox
tamiko
ulm
williamh

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2017.07.13 08:48, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 07/12/2017 04:17 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The recent Council election results confirm that Gentoo is
> interested in
> >> shaking things up a little.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I follow.  All 4 incumbents ended up in the top 5
> slots,
> > and mgorny (the only candidate to outrank an incumbent) has
> > practically written half the proposals in the last year.
> > 
> > Overall it was a pretty conservative result.  That isn't intended to
> > disparage anybody who wasn't an incumbent (nobody starts out as an
> > incumbent) - just an observation that as has been the case in the
> last
> > few years the incumbents have tended to win.
> > 
> 
> Why stop at five when the Council consists of seven members? Three
> seats
> changed for 2017-2018. I took the time to dig up past election results
> and indicated the change between each year. [1, also attached] The
> last
> time 3 or more seats changed was in the 2013-2014 election. To me,
> that's significant enough to claim that there is movement within
> Gentoo,
> especially considering last year's election had no change in seats.
> Before that (2015-2016) was 2 seats, and before that (2014-2015), only
> one.
> 
> [1]: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zlg/election-results.txt
> -- 
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> OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
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> 

Daniel,

A better measure of change might be incumbants unseated.
For example, this year rich0 and blueness did not stand for 
reelection, so its not an indicator of change that they were 
not reelected.  

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Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
elections
gentoo-ops
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Andrew Savchenko]

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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:23 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote:
[...]
> > Why stop at five when the Council consists of seven members? Three
> > seats
> > changed for 2017-2018. I took the time to dig up past election results
> > and indicated the change between each year. [1, also attached] The
> > last
> > time 3 or more seats changed was in the 2013-2014 election. To me,
> > that's significant enough to claim that there is movement within
> > Gentoo,
> > especially considering last year's election had no change in seats.
> > Before that (2015-2016) was 2 seats, and before that (2014-2015), only
> > one.
> > 
> > [1]: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zlg/election-results.txt
> > -- 
> > Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
> > OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
> > fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C  1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6
> > 
> 
> Daniel,
> 
> A better measure of change might be incumbants unseated.
> For example, this year rich0 and blueness did not stand for 
> reelection, so its not an indicator of change that they were 
> not reelected.  

The sheer fact that they do not accept nominations induces a
change. Yes, reasons for this change is different: acting council
members want to step off for their own reasons, but nevertheless
this brings new people and a change.

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Michał Górny]

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On śro, 2017-07-12 at 22:07 -0700, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> As a voter, I would like to ask all potential trustees:
> 
> 1.  What would you see your duty as in Gentoo?
> 2.  In what way is this distinct from the role you see fulfilled by members
> of the council?
> 

And this way, you reached to the clue: we are supposed to elect Trustees
when nobody is really sure what Trustees are supposed to do anymore ;-).

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Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Rich Freeman]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:05:23 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote:
>>
>> A better measure of change might be incumbants unseated.
>> For example, this year rich0 and blueness did not stand for
>> reelection, so its not an indicator of change that they were
>> not reelected.
>
> The sheer fact that they do not accept nominations induces a
> change. Yes, reasons for this change is different: acting council
> members want to step off for their own reasons, but nevertheless
> this brings new people and a change.
>

Sure, but the original statement was "The recent Council election
results confirm that Gentoo is interested in shaking things up a
little."

It seems to me that at best they only demonstrate that blueness and I
were interested in shaking things up a little, and even that is
reaching a bit since motivations could have been personal and not
related to Gentoo.

I think the opportunity for change is a good thing, as the last few
years is about as static as I remember the Gentoo leadership ever
being since the drobbins days.  However, I don't think it necessarily
reflects any kind of general dissatisfaction.

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Rich

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:48:42AM -0700, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> Why stop at five when the Council consists of seven members? Three seats
> changed for 2017-2018. I took the time to dig up past election results
> and indicated the change between each year. [1, also attached] The last
> time 3 or more seats changed was in the 2013-2014 election. To me,
> that's significant enough to claim that there is movement within Gentoo,
> especially considering last year's election had no change in seats.
> Before that (2015-2016) was 2 seats, and before that (2014-2015), only one.
If you want further data, see these links.
https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/elections.git/tree/completed
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs
The meeting logs are more interesting, because of nuances of council
elections: 
If a council member steps down, they are replaced by the NEXT available
person on the ballot, as long as that person is above
reopen_nominations. This caused the 2nd election in the 2008 term.

- 2006/08 election unseated everybody except vapier
- 2006-7: term Flameyes stepped down for personal reasons, but was
  re-elected the following term. Uberlord was next on the ballot and
  stepped up to take his place.
- 2007-8: vapier & uberlord re-elected, flameeyes returns.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Raymond Jennings]

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I for one would respectfully like to see our financial records and status
and tax filings etc squared away.

My hunch is that having such records in any sort of disarray may well have
a chilling effect on future donations.

As a hypothetical taxpaying citizen would I want to donate to Gentoo if its
nonprofit status were in question?  Is there enough doubt on the subject
that my concern would be warranted?  And if so, would cleaning up the
financial records help?

As a foundation member and voter, I consider this issue important to me in
the upcoming trustee elections.  I love gentoo and I use it every day and I
want it to continue being healthy looking forward.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Robin H. Johnson <robbat2@gentoo.org>
wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 12:48:42AM -0700, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > Why stop at five when the Council consists of seven members? Three seats
> > changed for 2017-2018. I took the time to dig up past election results
> > and indicated the change between each year. [1, also attached] The last
> > time 3 or more seats changed was in the 2013-2014 election. To me,
> > that's significant enough to claim that there is movement within Gentoo,
> > especially considering last year's election had no change in seats.
> > Before that (2015-2016) was 2 seats, and before that (2014-2015), only
> one.
> If you want further data, see these links.
> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/elections.git/tree/completed
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs
> The meeting logs are more interesting, because of nuances of council
> elections:
> If a council member steps down, they are replaced by the NEXT available
> person on the ballot, as long as that person is above
> reopen_nominations. This caused the 2nd election in the 2008 term.
>
> - 2006/08 election unseated everybody except vapier
> - 2006-7: term Flameyes stepped down for personal reasons, but was
>   re-elected the following term. Uberlord was next on the ballot and
>   stepped up to take his place.
> - 2007-8: vapier & uberlord re-elected, flameeyes returns.
>
> --
> Robin Hugh Johnson
> Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Trustee & Treasurer
> E-Mail   : robbat2@gentoo.org
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> GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Michał Górny]

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On śro, 2017-07-12 at 09:07 +0900, Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thoughts?
> > 
> > 
> > Ideally a manifesto would be required or at least useful. However...
> > 
> > The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was the
> > only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't elected. I may
> > have been a bad candidate for that election, although honestly I thought I
> > was the better candidate and I'm obviously unbiased, but it clearly shows
> > manifestos are not a factor. This and the council elections are beauty
> > contests. Very few people vote and those who do choose based on who they are
> > friends with. The only thing a manifesto does in a Gentoo election is
> > satisfy the conscience and ego of the author.
> > 
> 
> yes, the manifesto is optional but someone have it.
> 
> bit short but here is mine:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/trustee-manifesto.html

Don't you think it would be appropriate to mention the source if your
Manifesto is 90% copy-paste of somebody else's?

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Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Nominee manifestos?

[Alice Ferrazzi]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On śro, 2017-07-12 at 09:07 +0900, Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thoughts?
>> >
>> >
>> > Ideally a manifesto would be required or at least useful. However...
>> >
>> > The year I ran (because I was begged to, for lack of candidates) I was the
>> > only one diligent enough to write a manifesto. And I wasn't elected. I may
>> > have been a bad candidate for that election, although honestly I thought I
>> > was the better candidate and I'm obviously unbiased, but it clearly shows
>> > manifestos are not a factor. This and the council elections are beauty
>> > contests. Very few people vote and those who do choose based on who they are
>> > friends with. The only thing a manifesto does in a Gentoo election is
>> > satisfy the conscience and ego of the author.
>> >
>>
>> yes, the manifesto is optional but someone have it.
>>
>> bit short but here is mine:
>> http://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/trustee-manifesto.html
>
> Don't you think it would be appropriate to mention the source if your
> Manifesto is 90% copy-paste of somebody else's?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny

Updated

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Gentoo Kernel Project Leader
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