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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Consequences of moving the Gentoo foundation
somewhere else (Was: Gentoo Foundation Trustees nominations)
To: "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" <klondike@gentoo.org>
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
(klondike) <klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> No, of course not. Here is one of the "I still lack the experience at
> the Gentoo Foundation to make promises" parts I referred to. I don't
> know who are all the donors of the Gentoo Foundation nor where they are
> based. So if most are based on the USA and attaining 501c3 status is
> considered feasible this would be a good reason to either be based there
> or having a subchapter.
>
Could Gentoo attain 501c3 status? Maybe.
Is it likely or worth it? Questionable, honestly. IMO we'd be better
off pursuing the umbrella org solution and just leaching off of
somebody else's status (and hopefully benefit from the economies of
scale on overhead).
If we ever started turning over a lot more cash it would probably help
to have this status.
> Still, if I have to make a choice between money and community I suspect
> I'll go for community.
Oh, no argument there. I don't know what we'd even do with a lot of
donations. To really make the money work you end up having to build
out more of an org (Apache/Mozilla Foundations come to mind). I'm not
saying that those orgs don't do good things, but it really is a very
different mindset than what we're all used to. At some point you end
up having to put the suits in charge.
>
> Well, keep in mind that in order to exert such pressure, organizations
> like the RIIA perform lobbying as a way to make their interests appear
> the US interests. I doubt (and also hope) the Gentoo foundation will
> never be on such a bad position and that hopefully we'll be able to work
> around such issues by using the currently available legal frameworks
> without having to resource to more unethical measures.
>
I don't know that outright lobbying is needed since the RIAA and such
are already doing it.
However, what it does require is a willingness to actually employ
these kinds of measures.
If somebody was abusing our copyrights beyond a firm but polite
letter, would we REALLY want to deal with legal action? We barely can
muster up the willpower to file our taxes. When it comes to paperwork
a lawsuit is a gift that just keeps on giving...
Sure, you can hire lawyers and they do most of the lifting, but you
can hire accountants too, and yet we struggle just to make that happen
(this isn't to diminish all the recent progress on that front - but it
has taken fairly heroic efforts by a few people to get to where we
are, which isn't even where we want to be quite yet, though if we keep
it up I think we'll get there).
So, in some sense the Foundation exists in part to wield a power we
don't actually care to wield.
The flip side is that having our IP registered in the US is probably
useful defensively, so that those who are more willing to resort to
those measures are less able to use them against us. Of course, if
defense was our main concern maybe it would make sense to not have all
our bank accounts in the US only, where the US doesn't even need to
try to export its laws to seize them. We're not a ripe target for
such things though - while I could see somebody benefiting from
ignoring our IP, I doubt anybody would bother to try to co-opt it.
--
Rich