From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0F4D1382C5 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8C6EE092F; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-x234.google.com (mail-ot0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAEC5E092F for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-x234.google.com with SMTP id o9-v6so19398308otj.5 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DOdq1aIhNFCthImb0kFAKF15vLtRX4zIJ4WfY2ZTyMo=; b=Sd4+Sr7pPpYIzigoomWvNe+wUtRxomC5wPnUliubim0gys2Ia/7feOuRJAtv3N2pjZ QHaZajJAaBGBdvfiplK3fLwGCGmr3M11l4msLaqe0TrxLkCBTmrt99s9z6nDWO7QVg67 89eQPX+wGWMMw8E2R+joyWM+5wDYrGtJMH8wCKGQHqQcTbXAlTMeo6sOwWh2qLA1wbcw VxdKaEATctRFgm/gthaCib1/cAjDf5X6xAnxzirO71fB+YJ2U/r6kVBuLQd+gCrG4AEX h2ShrIiGe7TleFaaqAzrK/G29JdWCUShyDWBWRZ7Bcgz3l7veFlaUFf9ej+30pboWjZO FfKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DOdq1aIhNFCthImb0kFAKF15vLtRX4zIJ4WfY2ZTyMo=; b=keexXhRQ9ZlKrbb+3i5EmdzX8o+8IVWSSqbUmS8HTD80ac9CQhDiPNrBSkscH6wOpI 5QLw9j4a5zBeHiFTdLoKBcmf4OqSI5k7FeT4GIdFzwQvAhwA5UG9GVbGRVcicK704nQy qtn+Fc+/ePA1ZjBPNNQbvq9ztPMyYYIMM5jv5JNOKY1y+pi7tMUdEY+PwUAEsuFqYS9c 9dEHTeLyexjU6BCeOtg3SzJNxdstxtT2u8Vjv3im9RcBhRZxstG7vz53hTe93N7gQl0e TeOYBk9rJi1fCbL4J0++5OTNCcqGEmJ9Hl8AMzQJVk3vKAy2YaBjYBQaUgRRu01eAigm LeQg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tB49JV8KTnkrlrcqhH1UTYruVtAXX/7jjVzQwfQeSE6Il1cfkb1 AyhF3L/bQIm6xPNEtOp7SxYRdFZ2kbez1H4VKD8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+3nXSlA45omlLzvnLYLnxraTQJB0nvvRf1uZWDYT01jJNKihfBrlV7+huqfbNqKlOyXjYvh/dqvomnltVCglo= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:19e8:: with SMTP id k95-v6mr3318243otk.382.1523921036089; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:5e09:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ba48263-fd97-3ea7-2eab-607f76786699@iee.org> References: <20180416014013.yn3ves6bz7avfvqp@gentoo.org> <20180416213534.dznue7it7mqbapa7@gentoo.org> <9ba48263-fd97-3ea7-2eab-607f76786699@iee.org> From: Raymond Jennings Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:23:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: reopen nominations To: gentoo-nfp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 07455b5c-182b-4945-88b2-625bd22ee76c X-Archives-Hash: b36e0f47e7c78dbf624bc959d176e185 I for one am going to be interviewing each candidate before I cast my vote. I have only one voice but I'm going to do my best to make it count. How seriously though do people ask questions of the candidates before voting? How much is it a popularity contest and how much is it actual research on who would be best for the job? On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:29 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > On 16/04/18 23:23, Denis Dupeyron wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Matthew Thode >> wrote: >>> Just because you lose does not mean you should stop trying. >> That wasn't my point but I guess I wasn't clear enough. Our foundation >> and council elections work sub-optimally, to put it mildly. It's no >> secret they are beauty contests where the wrong persons get elected >> for the wrong reasons. You and three others are exceptions to that >> rule over more than a decade on both trustees and council. That's not >> much. >> >> As for trying again, the one and only reason I ran was that I had been >> asked by somebody whom I trust a lot. The latter is what I'm pretty >> sure won't happen again. Or rather, I hope it doesn't. >> > I suspect the only way this will change, is for a forced all-dev and/or > all-foundation-member vote, either of 'no confidence' in the council, or > some equivalent there-of. If there isn't a decent quorum, any ballot is > likely to be ineffective, as the usual 6% will do their usual and the > status-quo is once again ratified de-facto. >