[gentoo-nfp] Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[gentoo-nfp] Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[Raymond Jennings]

Thanks in large part to mgorny's initiative it has been brought to my
attention that I am not welcome in the gentoo community.

He has done everything he can to obstruct me from contributing,
including attempting to have my foundation membership revoked (620010)
in a bug that he didn't even BOTHER to have me CC'ed on until I
stumbled on it while spectating on a trustee meeting,and unilaterally
dismissing me from the proxy maintainers project, officially for
inactivity but confessing on IRC that he just found me difficult to
work with.

This is, to be blunt, bullshit.  When a security bug came in against
bopm I was prompt in having it fixed (see bug 631882.  Other than
that, apart from yielding skypeforlinux to someone who used scripts to
beat me to the punch, the other packages were simply dormant upstream
and rather than being inactive on those I was simply idling.

I might have been difficult to work with, but if that was the real
reason I was "fired" it should have been documented on my maintainer
bug.  The official reason as listed is not accurate.

When I informed mgorny of my choice to resign, his words were as
follows (as of Nov 12, 2018, pacific time):

[13:37:32] <Shentino> I'm resigning from the foundation and severing
all ties with gentoo.
[13:37:37] <Shentino> Congratulations, you got your wish.
[13:47:16] <mgorny> thanks, really appreciated

Unfortunately, it appears that his opinion of my worth to Gentoo is
not isolated, and since my efforts are not welcome I've decided it's
in the mutual interest of myself and Gentoo for me to resign.

Since I'm not welcome there's no point in me sticking around and
wasting my time.

Foundation, please get your books in order, particularly with the back
taxes, so that you can get back the respect of the rest of the
community.  I'm tired of people using the foundation's past paperwork
problems as an excuse to disregard and dismiss them.

[gentoo-nfp] Re: Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[Raymond Jennings]

And I really love how he just threatened to sue me for sharing his comments.

[13:57:29] <Shentino> Feel free to go to comrel and have me banned if
you wish.  Sharing this discussion on the ML is probably a violation
of your privacy.
[13:58:27] <mgorny> actually, i'm thinking lawsuit is a better course of action
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:52 PM Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks in large part to mgorny's initiative it has been brought to my
> attention that I am not welcome in the gentoo community.
>
> He has done everything he can to obstruct me from contributing,
> including attempting to have my foundation membership revoked (620010)
> in a bug that he didn't even BOTHER to have me CC'ed on until I
> stumbled on it while spectating on a trustee meeting,and unilaterally
> dismissing me from the proxy maintainers project, officially for
> inactivity but confessing on IRC that he just found me difficult to
> work with.
>
> This is, to be blunt, bullshit.  When a security bug came in against
> bopm I was prompt in having it fixed (see bug 631882.  Other than
> that, apart from yielding skypeforlinux to someone who used scripts to
> beat me to the punch, the other packages were simply dormant upstream
> and rather than being inactive on those I was simply idling.
>
> I might have been difficult to work with, but if that was the real
> reason I was "fired" it should have been documented on my maintainer
> bug.  The official reason as listed is not accurate.
>
> When I informed mgorny of my choice to resign, his words were as
> follows (as of Nov 12, 2018, pacific time):
>
> [13:37:32] <Shentino> I'm resigning from the foundation and severing
> all ties with gentoo.
> [13:37:37] <Shentino> Congratulations, you got your wish.
> [13:47:16] <mgorny> thanks, really appreciated
>
> Unfortunately, it appears that his opinion of my worth to Gentoo is
> not isolated, and since my efforts are not welcome I've decided it's
> in the mutual interest of myself and Gentoo for me to resign.
>
> Since I'm not welcome there's no point in me sticking around and
> wasting my time.
>
> Foundation, please get your books in order, particularly with the back
> taxes, so that you can get back the respect of the rest of the
> community.  I'm tired of people using the foundation's past paperwork
> problems as an excuse to disregard and dismiss them.

[gentoo-nfp] Re: Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[Raymond Jennings]

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Well, apparently according to the bylaws, I need to give at least 30 days
notice per clause 4.8

Additionally I never signed my email with GPG so it's probably not even
valid anyway.

In the interim I've been encouraged to reconsider, so accordingly I'm
withdrawing my resignation, such as it is.

Things need to change in Gentoo though.  I've had unsolicited encouragement
from no less than 5 people in this matter and it reflects a serious
cultural problem inside Gentoo.  Apparently I'm not the only person who has
been driven to exile by toxic behavior.  I'm sure everyone remembers zlg's
resignation as a trustee motivated by similiar reasons.

This is not healthy for Gentoo as a community, and ultimately as a distro.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:52 PM Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks in large part to mgorny's initiative it has been brought to my
> attention that I am not welcome in the gentoo community.
>
> He has done everything he can to obstruct me from contributing,
> including attempting to have my foundation membership revoked (620010)
> in a bug that he didn't even BOTHER to have me CC'ed on until I
> stumbled on it while spectating on a trustee meeting,and unilaterally
> dismissing me from the proxy maintainers project, officially for
> inactivity but confessing on IRC that he just found me difficult to
> work with.
>
> This is, to be blunt, bullshit.  When a security bug came in against
> bopm I was prompt in having it fixed (see bug 631882.  Other than
> that, apart from yielding skypeforlinux to someone who used scripts to
> beat me to the punch, the other packages were simply dormant upstream
> and rather than being inactive on those I was simply idling.
>
> I might have been difficult to work with, but if that was the real
> reason I was "fired" it should have been documented on my maintainer
> bug.  The official reason as listed is not accurate.
>
> When I informed mgorny of my choice to resign, his words were as
> follows (as of Nov 12, 2018, pacific time):
>
> [13:37:32] <Shentino> I'm resigning from the foundation and severing
> all ties with gentoo.
> [13:37:37] <Shentino> Congratulations, you got your wish.
> [13:47:16] <mgorny> thanks, really appreciated
>
> Unfortunately, it appears that his opinion of my worth to Gentoo is
> not isolated, and since my efforts are not welcome I've decided it's
> in the mutual interest of myself and Gentoo for me to resign.
>
> Since I'm not welcome there's no point in me sticking around and
> wasting my time.
>
> Foundation, please get your books in order, particularly with the back
> taxes, so that you can get back the respect of the rest of the
> community.  I'm tired of people using the foundation's past paperwork
> problems as an excuse to disregard and dismiss them.
>

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[Michał Górny]

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On Sat, 2018-12-08 at 15:33 -0800, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> Well, apparently according to the bylaws, I need to give at least 30 days
> notice per clause 4.8
> 
> Additionally I never signed my email with GPG so it's probably not even
> valid anyway.
> 
> In the interim I've been encouraged to reconsider, so accordingly I'm
> withdrawing my resignation, such as it is.
> 
> Things need to change in Gentoo though.  I've had unsolicited encouragement
> from no less than 5 people in this matter and it reflects a serious
> cultural problem inside Gentoo.  Apparently I'm not the only person who has
> been driven to exile by toxic behavior.  I'm sure everyone remembers zlg's
> resignation as a trustee motivated by similiar reasons.
> 
> This is not healthy for Gentoo as a community, and ultimately as a distro.
> 

It's funny that you mentioned Daniel Campbell because you're using
the same technique as he did.  You have some unresolved issues with me,
so first you attack and insult me publicly.  At the same time, you try
to portrait yourself as the victim and dramatize into quitting Gentoo, 
in order to gain compassion and support for your attack on me.  When
that ultimately fails and you don't get the support you expected, you
suddenly find excuses not to quit after all.

I have always been professional towards you.  I have never publicly
exposed what you've been doing.  You could at least try to be
professional towards me as well.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[Raymond Jennings]

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 1:44 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 2018-12-08 at 15:33 -0800, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> > Well, apparently according to the bylaws, I need to give at least 30 days
> > notice per clause 4.8
> >
> > Additionally I never signed my email with GPG so it's probably not even
> > valid anyway.
> >
> > In the interim I've been encouraged to reconsider, so accordingly I'm
> > withdrawing my resignation, such as it is.
> >
> > Things need to change in Gentoo though.  I've had unsolicited encouragement
> > from no less than 5 people in this matter and it reflects a serious
> > cultural problem inside Gentoo.  Apparently I'm not the only person who has
> > been driven to exile by toxic behavior.  I'm sure everyone remembers zlg's
> > resignation as a trustee motivated by similiar reasons.
> >
> > This is not healthy for Gentoo as a community, and ultimately as a distro.
> >
>
> It's funny that you mentioned Daniel Campbell because you're using
> the same technique as he did.  You have some unresolved issues with me,
> so first you attack and insult me publicly.  At the same time, you try
> to portrait yourself as the victim and dramatize into quitting Gentoo,
> in order to gain compassion and support for your attack on me.  When
> that ultimately fails and you don't get the support you expected, you
> suddenly find excuses not to quit after all.

You are misconstruing the motives behind my actions.  Since you're not
a mind reader you don't have the benefit of seeing what I'm thinking
first hand, but allow me to explain.

When I said "unsolicited", I meant it.  I was not expecting people to
approach me and explain to me that I was not the only one who was
apparently victimized by toxic behavior from you.

My resignation was not intended to gain compassion.  I welcome it, but
it was unsolicited.  To be blunt, I was surprised.

The "excuses" you speak of are completely valid, but they were seen by
me because of the encouragement I got, and they have nothing to do
with me not getting support in an attack on you.

> I have always been professional towards you.  I have never publicly
> exposed what you've been doing.  You could at least try to be
> professional towards me as well.

I probably could use some education in how to actually be
professional.  I suffer from autism and social skills often elude me.

I would however dispute that you have been professional towards me.

Your legal threat (which btw I've gotten evidence is unfounded) as
documented on bug 620010.

Comments 8 and 9 of bug 620010 made by you, and I quote, "His
Foundation membership is a sad joke against the hard-working Gentoo
community." and "Thank you for your professional consideration.
However, I should like to point out that the request for audit has
been based not on whether he is a developer (which is a obvious point)
but regarding his 'contributions'. P" both come off as pejorative and
insulting, for example the likely sarcasm quotes around
"contributions".  Calling my membership a sad joke was, in my opinion,
completely out of line especially given that I have provided evidence
in that bug of my contributions (which to be fair were mostly outside
of direct commits to the portage tree).  There's also the fact that
the bug in question directly concerned me and you neglected to add me
to the CC list.  My opinion is that I should have found out about it
before I noticed it come up in a trustee meeting.

Even if the commentary was not public at the time it was still made in
front of others.

Furthermore, the reason you cited on the bugzilla regarding my removal
from pmaint cited inactivity, however, your commentary on IRC in gpm
"[22:56:39] <mgorny> Spyro: because having you around is much more
effort to everyone than benefit" contradicts that.  Apart from the
apparent hostility on your part, I also find the contradiction
suggestive of dishonesty on your part on bugzilla.

For the above reasons I very much disagree that you have been nothing
but professional towards me.

To your credit, I do think you're a strong contributor on a technical
front, but your actions give me the impression that your attitude and
how you treat people is detrimental to gentoo.  No less than 3 others
have concurred with this opinion.


> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny

Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Notice of resignation of foundation membership

[Raymond Jennings]

To be blunt, the reason I resigned was due to being overwhelmed and
feeling persecuted.  There was no plan on my part to paint myself as
the victim.

I have issues to work on, and you have valid points.  I take issue
with the attitude you use in making those points however.