From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5431A138334 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61C6AE0844; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26C98E0844 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0725B347894; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9b4e77aef9830b1e65e7205fe265fce856f68035.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Questions For Gentoo Foundation Trustee Candidates From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:03:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ybyFe0EpzwfQwGI0yW4y" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 4d54ca74-47b1-4e2a-b4c1-b84a5fdc0ac7 X-Archives-Hash: 4d3db9fa0ea238168d3b1e68e7692311 --=-ybyFe0EpzwfQwGI0yW4y Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 16:50 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2019.07.13 14:39, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 06:17 -0700, Raymond Jennings wrote: > > > What are your plans regarding future relations between the trustees > > and the > > > council? I noted that the council isn't even mentioned in the > > bylaws > >=20 > > I've answered this in detail in my Manifesto [1]. > >=20 > > Long story short, I believe the distribution should be self-governing, > > and Foundation should support it without interfering unnecessarily.=20 > > This means that Council makes the majority of the decisions regarding > > Gentoo, and Trustees should work with the Council and respect > > the decisions made by it. > >=20 > > [1] https://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/trustee-manifesto-2019.txt > >=20 > > --=20 > > Best regards, > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Micha=C5=82, >=20 > The ideals "self-governing" and "professional umbrella" appear to be at= =20 > variance with each other. The professional umbrella will have a board=20 > of directors that Gentoo devs have no say in the appointment of. >=20 > How do you reconcile these apparently contradictory ideals? Just like with every other external company, we will need to negotiate and sign a contract. This contract must guarantee that the umbrella will give Gentoo appropriate freedom in handling its own affairs. We don't have a say in appointing directors of banks, service providers, CPA... yet I am yet to hear that we can't use their services because of that. In fact, with most of those companies we probably have even less say than with the potential umbrellas. Finally, do Gentoo devs really have much say in appointing Trustees?=20 Just like Alec said -- when was the last time people actually had a choice between candidates, rather than between accepting the few who volunteered and leaving Foundation without Trustees? An umbrella will at least be bound by specific contract, while GF right now can make arbitrary decisions disregarding Gentoo developers. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-ybyFe0EpzwfQwGI0yW4y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAABCgB9FiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAl0qKwdfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM3 NkE4NDUwOTQwOThEMjhDQzhCMjZDNTYzOUFEQUUyMzI5RTI0MEUACgkQY5ra4jKe JA5HsAf+OTps6GNUhAoJsoEhJCV1tqCNom4bj1XwwwCMIuiJjy/p66v3VcC8xojk GLcMpkZ6hcouP3PWOkMY+vKQw4IVg2GmX4k6wEdW/LB/z/31kR/vTRG4rFy/U8o0 VZ7BDMFrpLggopqlxdHya/a5Rc0LW0tKrQ8uiz9H0drYbNtdHPKjP+F+32YRdxCi H1zRgWDtDbVrE8dzWxC20gKvJAbA7D8oE3a3PtT/k8g6WrPvKNcLlgoVW8ZEYK+3 Z2fnSIeaOr5NuLNo1br3pVeSeKBE5eixNNuTr9x2NwIq8kgIUDkmaL/Rq8TDQMEX 0ifsyG7kNUQMX5x8MaFlpfcP9DOEZw== =WmVU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ybyFe0EpzwfQwGI0yW4y--